0:03

i'm content to to die for for my beliefs coco's

0:08

with my head and

0:11

make me a monster the

0:14

people will always

0:50

more question for you should

0:55

part one

0:59

i look i know

1:01

that none of us roster

1:04

expect much of our government's these

1:06

days

1:08

that probably applies no

1:10

matter what country you live

1:14

but i don't think i'm really asking for a lot

1:16

here the i'm not going to

1:18

demand that politicians

1:20

stop lying or but they stop

1:22

taking bribes they're dressed up to look

1:25

at like book advances are speaking fees

1:28

i'm not asking that family members stop

1:30

accepting bribes on their behalf like

1:33

any of that but again

1:35

i've learned a moderate my hopes for how

1:37

far from rock bottom these people are capable

1:40

of climate in

1:42

fact i'm at point where don't

1:45

even care about the bribes yeah they can

1:47

keep i'm we can keep the bribes if

1:49

i can just make couple request like

1:53

for example next

1:55

time scientists

1:58

have questions the out

2:00

how an infectious disease like

2:02

i don't know about syphilis develops

2:05

over time and a human host maybe we

2:07

should not give the disease to

2:09

a bunch of black people and then

2:11

why about giving them treatments for decades

2:13

so that we can watch as a disease

2:15

slowly destroys their minds and bodies

2:17

maybe we should not do that they

2:20

get i'm asking for the bare minimum here the

2:23

war maybe next

2:25

time a reclusive religious congregations

2:28

weirdo leader comes

2:31

under the radar of one of your agencies have

2:33

a you arrest the guy was out on his morning

2:35

jog which goes on predictably every day

2:38

instead of sending delta force to waco

2:40

texas to oversee the massacre the entire

2:42

group about that then

2:44

huge ask or

2:48

if you want i and i know i'm starting to get

2:50

motherboard my requests here maybe i'm pushing

2:52

my luck but maybe if you want to

2:54

send bunch of us to warn foreign country then

2:57

it will be for reasons that not completely

2:59

made up or

3:01

here's another our

3:04

intelligence agencies go about their

3:06

mission of gathering and

3:08

analyzing information and carrying

3:10

our covert operations

3:13

we understand we're an understanding people we get

3:15

it sometimes things and get little

3:17

messy little more really complicated

3:20

what if what if

3:23

next time one of your agents suggests

3:26

working with guy who's engaged

3:28

in large scale trafficking of children

3:31

for sex maybe

3:33

someone in your organization says that we

3:35

should probably not do that that

3:38

too much know i made a lot of requests a compromise

3:40

on the first three cats give

3:42

people diseases massacre american

3:45

citizen seen launch wars on false

3:47

pretenses in whatever but is it

3:49

too much to ask if

3:52

federal prosecutor overseeing

3:54

the investigation of cereal pedophile

3:56

and child traffickers that

3:59

on the right they did he was told to back

4:01

off by his superiors because the

4:03

guy quote belongs to intelligence

4:07

it it too much to ask the just one reporter

4:10

in all the newsrooms america stick

4:13

a microphone in this guy's face and ask

4:15

exactly what the fuck he meant by that anyone

4:21

yeah of

4:24

course i'm talking about jeffrey epstein

4:29

you know it's it's situation that

4:32

seems almost too horrible to be plausible

4:34

right sure

4:37

intel agencies might after skirt

4:39

bit of bourgeois morality here in there to

4:41

do their jobs surely

4:45

every agent of the cia or

4:48

f b i would resigned

4:50

in protest if they found out the agency

4:52

was helping mass pedophile avoid prosecution

4:55

right i

4:57

can say with certainty with

5:00

zero death that

5:03

any one of my twelve closest

5:05

friends or relatives if they were in

5:07

that position would not keep quiet about

5:09

i have no doubt about that so

5:13

it sounds reasonable to us to regular people

5:15

you know what kind of people would hear that

5:17

in just and just move on like oh what's

5:19

that boss the mass child sex

5:21

traffickers has a relationship with intelligence

5:24

agencies and should let him go agree

5:26

not to prosecute any of his accomplices

5:29

even ones the turn up later that we don't know

5:31

about for crimes don't know about yet hey

5:33

sir boss you gotta fight i

5:36

can say that don't know anybody who

5:38

would do that and

5:40

i'll bet you can say the same about most of

5:42

the people close to you and so just makes sense

5:44

to regular people the

5:46

average understanding of essex that

5:49

there's no way the agencies would

5:51

do that until

5:53

you remember that no

5:56

one in those agencies apparently had a

5:58

problem working with south american rob

6:00

lords right as the crack epidemic was consuming

6:02

american inner cities and

6:06

that no one seems to have spoken up

6:08

when the decision was made place us into

6:10

an effective alliance with

6:13

al qaeda in syria and yemen barely

6:15

decade after nine eleven ever

6:18

remember being asked about that never being

6:20

asked if want fight on the same side al

6:22

qaeda in syria and yemen that

6:24

i don't there's

6:26

not the kind of question that it occurs

6:29

the normal person to ask because

6:32

a normal person thinks there's no way or government

6:34

would put us into an alliance with al qaeda the

6:37

for the new world trade center was even finished

6:39

rebuilding that

6:42

he did the

6:44

habit afghanistan remember

6:46

when an army captain beat up in afghanistan

6:49

army officer that some raping little boy

6:52

the problem that he got kicked out of your me and

6:55

rest of our troops got instructions

6:57

that they were not to intervene in similar circumstances

7:00

do not intervene if you encounter child

7:03

rape because but your body

7:06

the recreational abuse of young boys

7:08

was just cultural difference that they were gonna have

7:11

to get over wanted to be tolerant about then

7:15

come to find out surprise surprise sucks sexual

7:17

abuse of young boys by our allies

7:20

in the afghanistan security forces was

7:22

pervasive throughout or occupations

7:25

the country well horrifying

7:28

abuse the checkpoints makes boys

7:30

many unpaid an unregistered hungry

7:32

for revenge and easy prey for taliban

7:35

recruitment often because there is

7:37

no other escape from exploitative afghan

7:39

security force commanders practically

7:42

all the a rule guns

7:44

three hundred seventy local and national

7:47

police checkpoints have batches

7:49

was a little boys some up to four

7:52

for illegally recruited not only for sexual

7:54

companionship but also to bear arms

7:57

two little boys simpli

8:00

monday said demand botches like a

8:02

perk of the job refusing to join

8:04

checkpoints where they are not available in

8:06

cook the

8:09

taliban had band practice the

8:11

in nineteen eighty six and kept ban

8:13

in place until the invasion two thousand and

8:15

one then we took over in

8:17

the band with no longer and force the

8:21

taliban they're reaching

8:23

out to be boys who are being kept as sex

8:25

slaves by our allies

8:27

were the afghanistan security forces and

8:30

send them hey help us

8:32

kill your guards, if you can and run away, come

8:34

to us, will take you in that's a

8:36

pretty easy sell and

8:38

so we got instances like this quote,

8:41

he said, the attacker is a

8:43

boy little boy who ended up attacking

8:45

the police officer afghanistan

8:47

police officers he said

8:49

the attacker was the commander's own sex

8:52

slave teenager called zabihullah

8:55

the late one night he went on a shooting spree

8:57

killing seven policemen including the commander

8:59

as they slept and quote the

9:02

wind up in war where

9:05

up until this most

9:07

recent summer

9:09

we were told that the enemy was

9:11

so terrible the

9:13

threat was so great we

9:16

just had no choice but to ally

9:18

with people who are engaged in systematic

9:21

mass child rape there's just no has

9:23

rocks wow

9:26

but there are other considerations there

9:29

are larger issues at play the

9:32

world is not all black and white the

9:34

i'm probably over simplifying things but

9:37

i girl that that's why

9:39

i'm limiting my requests all

9:43

i'm asking is that people in

9:45

our security and intelligence establishments

9:48

it back on same page as the rest

9:51

of us in considering large scale

9:53

child sex trafficking to be beyond

9:55

the pale i

9:57

start with this because the

10:00

often find it the biggest hurdle to clear

10:02

when trying to get people to look squarely

10:04

at what we know and

10:06

what we can reasonably infer about the

10:08

jeffrey epstein case is that

10:10

for most people just sounds too horrible to be believable

10:14

sure the government's corrupt politicians lie

10:16

you had a yacht a but they wouldn't do that

10:19

the we know they would because

10:22

they have they've done much

10:24

much worse

10:27

it's hard to know where to start to story

10:31

and so throw the darted the map

10:33

and start with the two thousand and three vanity

10:35

fair story by the journalist vicky ward

10:39

his ward was one of the

10:41

people one the few people who was on

10:43

the jeffrey epstein very early long

10:45

before his first conviction back in mid

10:47

two thousand back an early two thousands

10:49

epstein was still getting press

10:51

like this in new york magazine quote

10:54

jeffrey epstein international

10:56

money man of mystery

10:58

he comes with cast to burn fleet

11:00

of airplanes and keen eye for the ladies

11:03

to say nothing of relentless brain

11:05

the challenges nobel prize winning

11:08

scientists across the country and

11:10

for financial markets around the world

11:13

ever since the post paid six

11:15

ran an item about president clinton's late

11:17

september visit to africa with kevin spacey

11:19

and chris tucker on epstein

11:22

customized boeing seven twenty seven

11:24

the question a day has been who

11:27

in the world is jeffrey epstein in

11:29

quote once

11:32

again the unsurprisingly

11:35

american journalism does not miss an opportunity

11:37

to be clown itself and to

11:40

vomit all over the legacy of the

11:42

real reporters who occasionally used to take

11:44

up the profession reporters like

11:46

micky ward for example he

11:49

was writing for vanity fair in the early two

11:51

thousands when she got an early lead on

11:53

what the talented mr epstein was

11:55

up to behind scenes this

11:58

is from new york times after he

12:00

was arrested more recently and twenty nineteen

12:02

quote days after jeffrey

12:04

epstein was arrested and charged with

12:06

sex trafficking by federal prosecutors

12:09

the fallout spilled into the media world with

12:11

former vanity fair journalists saying that

12:13

she had been prepared to report on accusations

12:16

of sexual misconduct against

12:18

the financier years ago but

12:20

at the magazine had declined to print the

12:23

journalist vicky ward leveled

12:25

her accusation against the magazines former

12:27

editor graydon carter in several forms

12:30

including on her own twitter account slates

12:32

what next podcast but

12:34

sweet am the dm talks as

12:38

part her reporting for article published

12:40

vanity fair's march two thousand and three issue

12:42

miss ward said she had collected on

12:44

the record accusations against

12:46

mister abstain from three women two

12:49

of whom said they were victims sexual assault

12:51

those accusations did not make it into the

12:53

published version and quotes and

12:55

so you think wow look

12:58

magazine gotta be careful right vanity

13:01

fair's big publication they reported on

13:03

controversial stories in past and

13:06

they got they experience to know where they

13:08

stand the maybe the story is didn't get

13:10

through the magazines tight vetting process

13:12

may be legal wouldn't made it through well no

13:15

in fact according to miss ward the

13:17

story had already been through legal review

13:20

and was approved with the accusations

13:22

included but then this

13:25

before the article went to print in

13:28

recent months the press has been digging

13:30

into news about the late jeffrey epstein

13:33

his powerful friends and the

13:35

allegations that he sexually exploited

13:37

dozens of underage girls for

13:39

years the media had paid only intermittent

13:42

attention to the epstein story until and

13:44

investigative series last year in

13:46

the miami herald and here media correspondent

13:48

davis for conflicts story might help explain

13:51

why it includes an early morning

13:53

visits a bullet and dead

13:55

cat

13:56

one morning some years ago vanity fair's

13:58

editor in chief graydon car they arrived

14:00

at magazine's offices in midtown manhattan

14:03

a man was standing still by himself

14:05

in the magazines reception area behind

14:07

lox glass doors it

14:09

was actually john connally was

14:11

vanity fair contributing editor who reported

14:14

on crime and scandal jeffrey

14:16

had somehow gotten into the vanishes

14:18

office before grade one day and

14:21

does he was tortured great connelly

14:23

says epstein repeatedly besieged and

14:25

rated carter then and in subsequent calls

14:27

don't report don't young women jeffrey epstein

14:29

with terrorize people vanity fair

14:31

eagerly deceptive the missteps and foibles

14:34

society's elites and eagerly rub shoulders

14:36

with them and for years graydon carter

14:38

lead way on both two

14:40

thousand two carter assigned to reporter to

14:42

find out more about jeffrey epstein just

14:44

who is this enigmatic financier and

14:47

y z flying around with bill clinton another

14:49

celebrities your set reporter vicky

14:51

ward

14:51

the time it was two pronged he

14:54

does mystery about jeffrey epstein

14:56

with how he had made his money ward

14:58

spoke on morning edition last month there

15:00

was also known that he would gather

15:03

new york's rich and famous for dinner

15:05

parties at his home but

15:07

there would be these very young women

15:10

the women were always part

15:12

of the jeffrey epstein story

15:14

in march two thousand three vanity fair

15:16

did publish piece by word taking tough

15:19

look at epstein lavish lifestyles and

15:21

questioning the origins his fortune i

15:24

always says carter soon called to share an

15:26

ominous development some say came

15:28

out there was a lie forward put

15:30

on great is video is

15:32

outside housemade have even

15:34

in the absence of any evidence epstein

15:36

was involved conwy tells npr

15:38

that both carter and he considers

15:40

bullet a clear warning from wasn't

15:43

incidents another former colleague tells

15:45

npr of similarly anguished call from

15:47

carter about the bullet in statements

15:49

to npr carter says the magazine never

15:51

held back on epstein because of any sense

15:53

of threat or intimidation instead

15:56

carter says wards reporting did not pass the

15:58

legal threshold for publication he

16:00

says vanity fair took legal requirements seriously

16:03

especially when the subject was a private person

16:05

who's therefore rigorously protected under libel

16:07

laws and said war did not have three

16:10

sources who met magazines legal threshold

16:13

for the first time however maria and any farmer

16:15

or confirming publicly they spoke to the

16:17

keyboard on record in two thousand

16:19

two your mother jazz farmer

16:21

says she did too and they tell

16:23

npr they were crestfallen vanity fair didn't

16:25

report their allegations of exploitation

16:27

allegations think exploitation made it more difficult to not

16:30

only get victims to speak out but to

16:32

get witnesses to speak out david boies

16:34

is a lawyer for farmer sisters it was

16:36

discouraging i , it

16:39

helped greatly impression among

16:41

many the victims victims , media

16:44

was under epstein

16:47

control that epstein at all this power

16:49

by late two thousand and six john connally

16:51

says he was interviewing other women in south florida

16:53

to see if there was another story for vanity

16:55

fair to do as authorities investigated

16:58

epstein connelly tells me quarter

17:00

soon received another zoc what

17:02

let me stop you right there when you did he

17:04

said a dead cat head was

17:06

put outside green carter's house i

17:08

was put on the stoop of his home up in country

17:11

they returned to to intimidate no question about

17:14

the worked connelly

17:16

says carter called him express anxiety

17:18

for the safety of his children other still npr

17:21

the dead cat was the talk of the office and

17:23

humbly says he voluntarily stopped pursuing

17:25

the subject for vanity fair it's

17:28

natural to ask how someone like epstein

17:30

can get away with

17:33

the sure he's rich put so was

17:35

bill cosby in

17:38

speaker the house of representatives did not

17:40

save denny hastert it's

17:43

very interesting we we've all heard the

17:45

saying about journalism the old

17:47

saying if it bleeds it leads meaning

17:50

the news media is biased toward sensationalism

17:53

in general that's

17:55

true if they're just looking for sensationalism

17:58

it's fair wonder why every new the paper

18:00

in the land does not have investigative teams

18:02

devoted to the jeffrey epstein story billionaire

18:06

playboy with deep connections to the

18:08

rich powerful running a massive

18:10

multi state under age sex

18:13

trafficking operation corroborated

18:16

accounts from accusers about very

18:18

well known people being involved a

18:20

federal prosecutor saying he was told

18:22

by to back off by his superiors

18:24

because epstein belongs to intelligence

18:28

mean at the height of the me to purge news

18:30

outlets devoted teams of reporters

18:33

they're investigating important people for anything

18:35

that might get him another scout the

18:37

combination of gossip com salacious

18:40

nissen reader interest with conferred seriousness

18:42

of reporting that was part of a movement

18:44

for gender equality ios is too good to pass

18:46

up but there was ever target

18:48

rich environment the

18:51

media outlets fighting tooth and nail

18:53

for audience share his the jeffrey epstein

18:55

story no

18:57

corporate news outlet seems to want anything

19:00

to do with it how could that be

19:04

not a dave look deeply into it and

19:06

just concluded that there's nothing near where further

19:08

investigation that did map the

19:12

never stop them before if they think they've got story

19:15

with the kind of guaranteed ratings that epstein

19:17

brings

19:20

no different really beloved in

19:22

powerful people link

19:24

denny hastert who if

19:26

you're little younger and unaware i

19:29

get hazard is the highest ranking us official

19:31

ever to serve prison sentence he

19:33

was the republican speaker the house representatives

19:35

so second in line to the

19:37

presidency right behind the vice president yeah

19:40

we the same juice nancy pelosi

19:42

carries today you'll

19:46

get to a position like speaker the house by

19:48

public acclimation you know it's not us

19:50

it's not an american idol load by

19:52

phone kind of thing the people who get fingered

19:55

for positions at that level coming to types

19:58

if you spent decades building

20:00

a very powerful social networks

20:02

so that when they're jostling with other power players

20:05

who want that position they've

20:07

got more artillery to calling for backup

20:10

the war they're puppets

20:12

or front man put up by others who think they

20:14

can control things from behind scenes denny

20:17

hastert was bit of both the

20:19

very powerful guy in washington but

20:22

he was easy to control for anyone who knew his

20:24

secrets which was that speaker

20:26

the house of representatives denny hastert was

20:28

a quote serial child molester

20:31

in the words of the judge who eventually

20:33

sentenced him to prison isn't

20:36

not an early eighteen hundreds or something by

20:39

the way folks this was the speaker of

20:41

the house until two thousand seven you

20:44

can have interesting the

20:46

all the mud that's swung

20:48

back and forth between democrats and

20:50

republicans mean a call each other trader

20:53

terrorists murderer nazi

20:55

communists there

20:57

isn't it weird that almost nobody

20:59

even remembers that the most

21:01

powerful republican congressman was

21:04

imprisoned for molesting children

21:06

less than fifteen years ago you

21:08

think the democrats would be just they

21:10

would just be carpet bombing that fact

21:12

all over the place the reminding

21:15

us everyday about it in in western justice

21:18

this is a guy has stirred who built his

21:20

early political career on this image of being

21:22

a teacher and coach and mentor to young

21:25

boys and he was straight up predator the

21:29

nobody wants talk about it's

21:31

one of the things that nobody really wants start

21:33

back to the point that most people's front you bring

21:35

it up even people who remember it from the time

21:37

to like only i kind of remember but it's faded

21:40

out of public memory can

21:43

understand what people don't wanna talk about i

21:45

don't really want to talk about any of this stuff either

21:49

maybe the people who should be talking about

21:53

are worried that if the public starts asking

21:55

some pretty basic questions like how

21:57

does a literal serial child

22:00

mr rise to the ranks decades

22:03

to become most powerful man in congress

22:05

without anybody noticing what was up to

22:08

why when he was caught did he get thirteen

22:10

months in prison when we routinely

22:12

give decades to drug offenders and people running

22:15

ponzi schemes and financial schemes the

22:19

think about bill cosby who had mentioned or

22:21

even tiger woods or harvey weinstein

22:25

an eyesore haven't turned his gaze

22:27

in their direction those if for them not

22:30

to compare tiger to what the other to recuse that

22:32

budgets in sense that there was

22:34

this embarrassing scandal this devastating

22:36

scandal and it didn't matter

22:38

that they were rich or powerful of or

22:40

had powerful friends or that lot

22:42

people were invested their success it didn't

22:45

matter the think about

22:47

this is a bill gates

22:49

are you on mosque or jeff bezos

22:52

hold in with dozens

22:55

of underage girls accusing them of sexual

22:57

assault each of them independently

22:59

, others accounts accounts

23:02

that sync up with white boggs and

23:04

visitor records and known travel

23:06

of other people that they say were present present

23:09

those guys would have certain advantages like

23:12

being able hire the most expensive lawyers

23:14

or maybe being able to intimidate girls

23:16

into silence or does benefiting

23:19

from some residual public

23:21

good will with public good to trial but

23:24

if they couldn't keep those girls quiet they

23:27

couldn't intimidate

23:29

the made in a have good story to explain

23:32

their corroborated accounts those

23:34

guys would be on your way to prison

23:37

and also they be in the headlines

23:39

everyday because it's a crazy

23:41

story with guaranteed public

23:43

interest the

23:46

the obvious question is how

23:48

is it that this guy jeffrey

23:52

epstein who who's rich and prominent

23:54

but he's not bill gates

23:56

richard prominent maybe

23:58

he was in control of couple billie

24:00

in dollars new nano him and his which

24:02

is a lot but it's not the kind money

24:04

his can put the us department of justice

24:06

off you when there's dozens of underage girls

24:09

willing to testify that you sexually assaulted

24:12

how is it that this guy seems

24:15

to be able to dictate terms to the us

24:17

department of justice the the people

24:19

who took down john gotti

24:21

denny hastert and pablo escobar

24:23

they weren't afraid to do that

24:27

this is amy robot from

24:29

a b c news and anchor on nine

24:32

new so twenty twenty you may have heard

24:34

this it was released by project veritas

24:36

couple years straight straight years everywhere

24:39

for twenty robberies will , it

24:41

on your arm for thought of hopefuls

24:43

jeffrey

24:44

no no to that is this is stupid story

24:46

of spend hours found out

24:49

that with had her whole allegations

24:51

about prince andrew prince andrew us million

24:53

different ways door

24:56

frame he wouldn't be able to interview kate and

24:59

will say that we think that also

25:01

costs the story and

25:03

then on earth and they are alan dershowitz

25:05

was also implicated in a place else

25:08

she told me everything ship pictures

25:10

every thank you for hiding for twelve years we convinced

25:13

her to come out we convinced her talk to

25:15

us armed with unbelievable

25:17

will unbelievable had clinton with everything

25:21

mm i tried for three years to get it

25:23

on to no avail and now it's

25:25

all coming out and thinking new realm of revelations

25:28

that i frequent had all of it hi

25:30

i'm so pissed right

25:32

every day i get more and more pissed because i'm just

25:34

like we even

25:37

know what know we had was unreal

25:40

other the not enough

25:44

edward vi attorney three

25:45

bigger things like aren't like week

25:48

there will come a day for we will realize jeffrey epstein

25:50

with most prolific had a file this country

25:52

has ever known there

25:54

are three years ago

26:02

do think he was killed a hundred percent

26:04

guess and him because you wanted

26:06

she made us all living blackmailing people

26:17

there a lot of men in those planes lot

26:19

of men who visited that island

26:22

lot powerful man the haven't

26:24

heard that apartments

26:29

we were

26:34

i knew immediately and

26:39

made it seem as though he may that suicide

26:42

weeks earlier and of lawyers claimed that he

26:44

was received by , so

26:46

much much and act that was

26:48

all like to plant the seed

26:51

and then

26:53

why i'm really believe it like really

26:56

believe it now

26:58

we're getting somewhere

27:00

who would have enough juice to suppress

27:03

story like this maybe

27:05

not bill gates maybe

27:08

the queen of england may

27:10

be a guy like bill clinton

27:13

who was groomed for his role early

27:15

on first is rhodes scholar and then it

27:17

georgetown where he studied

27:19

, carroll quigley with with prince turkey

27:22

or feisal his class norm time had

27:24

saudi intelligence and bill clinton

27:26

was in deep with the cia and the eighties

27:28

when colombian drug lords were flung their cocaine

27:30

in arkansas governor there and

27:33

so maybe , like that

27:37

esteem was not power for himself but

27:39

had backing from some of the most powerful

27:41

networks in the world partly

27:44

because as amy roebuck

27:46

said the like we had some very

27:48

dark blackmail on some very important people

27:51

and partly because of who he was gathering

27:53

that blackmail for which

27:56

i think is the much more interesting and

27:58

fruitful question so let's dig

28:00

into that

28:04

any time you're dealing with questions

28:06

involving intelligence agencies

28:09

you are going to find yourself wading

28:11

through a lot of circumstantial evidence

28:15

you run to the same thing you try to investigate

28:17

the intelligence agencies more rambunctious

28:19

cousins organized crime syndicate

28:22

that's by design everybody

28:24

has vested interest in keeping secrets

28:27

the know what happens to people who don't if

28:30

the you're not going find written orders with

28:32

signatures and detailed explanations

28:34

of these parties role the conspiracy the

28:37

evidence jeffrey epstein was working with an intelligence

28:40

agency is mostly circumstantial it's

28:43

likely stay that way the

28:45

case can be built on circumstantial evidence

28:47

is it piles up high enough the

28:50

burden is shifted to the other side make their

28:52

case for why this is all one giant

28:54

string of coincidences in misunderstandings

28:59

i'm working on this while the

29:02

jury is still deliberating

29:04

the fate of guillen maxwell

29:08

the maxwell was jeffrey

29:10

epstein occasional girlfriend apparently

29:13

and according to federal prosecutors

29:15

in many of his accusers she helped

29:18

recruit and groom young

29:20

girls to be abused by jeffrey epstein

29:22

and she would also participating

29:24

abuse herself as which is on trial for the

29:28

lot people were hoping maxwell trial would

29:30

bring out a bit of the truth died with jeffrey

29:32

epstein his prison cell but

29:35

you know really does the

29:38

court room is not the place to make that case

29:40

in so those people have been disappointed if

29:42

prosecution starts veering off the

29:45

main case namely

29:47

for known identifiable on

29:49

record victims of epstein as

29:51

, people who know them testifying

29:53

that maxwell participated sexual

29:55

abuse get that conviction

29:58

and they start talking about prince and drew

30:00

and bill clinton and donald trump or what

30:02

i meant when epstein when said epstein

30:05

belong to intelligence the

30:07

way max was not charged with any of them

30:10

the job of investigating

30:12

those related matters should

30:15

in ideal world

30:17

or at least a moderately functional

30:19

one fall to the news media

30:22

and maybe to the legitimate

30:24

counterintelligence mission of the f b i that

30:26

this world is of course neither ideal nor

30:29

functional so instead you get the

30:34

there are researchers who have done lot

30:36

of legwork on the obscene story people

30:38

like whitney web and ryan dawson

30:41

and is if you're familiar with work of those people

30:43

not going to learn really anything new here for

30:45

trying put everything together in one place

30:48

to kind give people a brief and

30:50

you know if you've you've read whole books on this

30:52

topic and really is going be things in here that i leave

30:54

apt to want to hit lot of the key points

30:58

the give people a baseline understanding

31:00

what we know and can reasonably informed about

31:02

the situation the

31:05

only been very recently that

31:08

the mainstream sources were forced

31:10

to admit that there are some interesting questions

31:12

here rolling stone

31:14

ran story that headlined was

31:16

jeffrey epstein the spy who was

31:18

written by our friend vicky ward formerly

31:20

a vanity fair well

31:25

back in two thousand two when was reporting

31:27

on jeffrey epstein finances for vanity

31:29

fair magazine he was not

31:31

household name

31:33

during that time i paid visit the federal

31:35

medical center dozens and dozens massachusetts

31:38

to meet with an inmate one stephen hawking

31:40

birds

31:41

we sat in a little room near recreation

31:44

area often berg dress in the requisite

31:46

orange jumpsuit while i several

31:48

months pregnant with twins was dressed

31:50

per prison requirements the shapely

31:52

as puck the say blissfully as possible with

31:55

absolutely intriguing meeting often

31:58

bird was serving eighteen years in

32:00

isn't for committing a four hundred fifty million

32:02

dollar ponzi scheme in nineteen

32:04

eighties he'd been running towers financial

32:06

towers financial collection and reinsurance business

32:08

and had worked alongside epstein was

32:10

paid consultant hop

32:13

and bird told me that epstein plans

32:15

to term plan to turn towers into global

32:17

colossus through illegal means

32:20

often bird told me with sad grin

32:23

that he represented problem for epstein because

32:25

while they were working together at seen

32:27

had confided in him as to how exactly

32:30

he made career out of conning people and institutions

32:32

not least because the idea was that they would

32:34

do it together often

32:37

berg said that epstein had a term

32:39

for the perfect execution the grist he

32:41

called it playing box which

32:44

meant that he ensured that even

32:46

if is crime was uncovered the victim

32:48

would be unable to do anything about it either

32:50

because of social embarrassment

32:52

or because the money was tucked away in place

32:55

where they couldn't either couldn't find or

32:57

couldn't get this

32:59

again this this interview is from two thousand

33:01

to speak for anybody knew who epstein was

33:05

what happened bergen failed to realize he told

33:07

me is it epstein would con him

33:10

at steen would take one hundred million of towers

33:12

money move it offshore and meanwhile

33:15

cooperate with us prosecutors against

33:17

often bird who was unable to do anything

33:19

about this because he pleaded guilty which

33:21

meant that there was no trial and therefore

33:24

no discovery i

33:26

can't prove all of often birds claims

33:29

some of the more accurate i

33:31

have discovered for example that

33:33

at in certainly did cooperate against

33:35

often bergen gave at least three interviews

33:37

to prosecutors and that have case

33:39

gone to trial source with knowledge

33:41

says it would have likely turned out far

33:43

worse for epstein and for often bird

33:46

often berg also knew something else epstein

33:49

wanted hidden according to how often berg he

33:51

claimed that epstein moved in intelligence

33:53

circles in quo the

33:57

rune in two thousand two

34:00

we're at teen was ever arrested

34:02

first time or the second time

34:04

before any accusations about him had publicly

34:07

surfaced

34:09

and his business partner the

34:11

in half and bird worked closely for several

34:13

years is telling reporter

34:16

back in two thousand two that

34:18

epstein was connected to intelligence agencies

34:22

it would be this five six years later in two

34:24

thousand seventy two thousand and eight the

34:26

federal prosecutor down in florida who's

34:29

overseeing epstein case alex acosta

34:31

was told according his

34:33

his his sworn testimony that

34:36

he was told by superiors to back

34:38

off of epstein because epstein quote belongs

34:40

to intelligence

34:45

that toward quote the

34:47

hop and berg at the relationship was not

34:49

something epstein than pitching himself

34:51

the vanity fair's a money manager extraordinary

34:54

for billionaires only had volunteered

34:56

to me

34:57

so when gingerly raised often bird

34:59

to epstein and mention that i had documentation

35:01

showing that to relent the financier

35:04

turned really nasty

35:06

he maintained he hardly knew often berg

35:08

he just consulted briefly on couple of deals

35:11

that he not been involved in any prosecution

35:13

half in bergen that if i wrote any different

35:15

things would turn out badly for me

35:18

here's exactly what he said

35:20

it has any implication of wrongdoing i

35:22

will take legal action against you personally

35:25

i'm telling you so you understand i will

35:27

be as harsh as i possibly can

35:29

personally not for the magazine

35:32

but you because i had this discussion

35:34

with you this relationship

35:36

is with you

35:37

you shouldn't risk your future for a job

35:41

back toward

35:43

epstein sensitivity regarding

35:45

hop in bird was equal to his sensitivity

35:47

on what he called the girls the

35:50

went berserk if you mentioned either subject

35:53

in hindsight one has to wonder if

35:55

half and bird presented equally big problem

35:57

as the girls would or

36:00

berg told me that in the nineteen eighties

36:02

after epstein left bear stearns

36:04

an ignominious circumstances epstein

36:06

was trained and moving money offshore

36:09

and that and mentor of epstein's with someone

36:11

offenburg new a british defense

36:13

contractor who died two thousand and eleven

36:15

named douglas leaf often

36:19

bird claim that police was an arms dealer

36:22

lisa son julian says that's not true

36:24

but uk parliamentary record does

36:26

mention lease in reference to the al your mama

36:28

arms deal of the early nineteen eighties remember

36:31

distinctly than our first meeting often

36:33

bird told me that lease was pivotal understanding

36:37

jeffries ammo because li

36:39

said introduced him not only to

36:41

aristocratic europeans who have seen

36:43

subsequently fleeced but

36:45

all sorts of people in the arms business

36:47

including the late turkish born businessman

36:50

adnan khashoggi and

36:52

allegedly the late media mogul

36:55

robert maxwell back

36:58

two thousand two i didn't pay much attention to

37:00

this this is because epstein

37:02

breezily threw me off first

37:04

epstein told he'd never met maxwell and

37:07

i asked him twice if he new lease

37:09

whom i'd never whom i had never heard

37:11

of and epstein said no the

37:13

second time he elaborated douglas

37:16

lease i think he will have

37:18

there is somebody i knew having

37:20

his son was friendly with ferrante

37:22

that's for that whole crowd comes in the you ask me

37:24

about a long time ago the evening

37:26

with nicholas he was sort

37:28

of at sixty six three building i think

37:31

they might have all live there

37:33

so forgot about lease and i

37:35

didn't bother to pursue the notion that epstein

37:37

had known maxwell in

37:39

quo

37:42

those three people they miss were

37:44

just mentioned that with

37:46

lease nine khashoggi

37:49

and robert maxwell

37:52

those those names will be familiar to people

37:54

who spent some time researching the

37:57

politics of the late seventies and throughout

37:59

the nineteenth

38:01

sir douglas lease was a

38:03

british arms broker kind

38:05

of backroom deal maker

38:07

as well as an agent of british intelligence according

38:10

to stephen hawking bergen others who

38:12

new lease and epstein the time back the eighties

38:14

when they were associated

38:17

we're supposed to have been one of the key brokers

38:19

of the largest arms deal and uk history

38:22

with saudi arabia please

38:24

back in nineteen eighties these

38:27

worked with saudi counterpart another

38:30

sort of guy , operated

38:33

in shadows muslim will spaces

38:35

you know between sovereign entities another

38:37

arms broker named or non khashoggi

38:39

who is mentioned because yogi was

38:41

is larger than life sort of caricature

38:44

of a jacket into radian prince

38:47

you know not saudi prince but i

38:49

just throwing around just throwing of money

38:52

everything gold everything big donald

38:55

trump actually bought his ya after

38:57

to showed he eventually went to jail iran

39:00

his name last name should sound familiar he's

39:02

the uncle the jamal khashoggi

39:04

the saudi journalist who was murdered in

39:06

chopped up by saudi agents the

39:09

kingdom's embassy in turkey and twenty eighteen

39:11

to to the family to close to power

39:15

there's yogi was very close

39:19

about saudi and israeli intelligence

39:22

and

39:24

was on a he was he was human served

39:27

as a paid and almost

39:29

official go between for the two governments

39:32

kind of an off the books diplomat

39:36

the back the nineteen eighties when the reagan administration

39:38

wanted to get weapons illegally to

39:41

iran's during the iran iraq war

39:44

the as israel for help because israel shared

39:46

the same interesting on thing obviously

39:48

israel iran hate each other now but back

39:50

then right after the revolution when

39:53

saddam hussein invaded around with their really worried about

39:55

was

39:56

saddam hussein and him getting too powerful he

39:58

conquered too much of itself so

40:00

yeah the reagan administration wanted to get weapons

40:02

to aranda prolong the war they ask israel

40:04

for help and what is israel do

40:06

is real calls on the services of

40:09

adnan khashoggi to make it happen the

40:13

book is yogi and lease

40:15

more the kind of guys that you called

40:18

when you were a government that needed something done

40:20

but done discreetly

40:24

lease with the bag man bringing bribes

40:26

to saudi and british officials to

40:29

make sure that the right company's got paid off

40:31

in their big arms deal the

40:34

nineties yogi was an arms trafficker

40:36

with connections all over the world who knew how to

40:38

work around things like customs agents

40:40

in national borders well

40:42

as the gets close with both these guys

40:44

in nineteen eighties worked with both of them

40:48

in based on the above ground information

40:51

it kind of hard to see

40:55

what it is exactly the he would have been doing

40:57

with them epstein

41:00

was already on private plane

41:02

headed to meeting at the pentagon with douglas

41:04

least in nineteen eighty one

41:07

when emptiness just twenty eight years old

41:10

and haven't done anything really when

41:12

you look his actual resume up to that point us

41:14

take moment and you only take a moment

41:16

because there's not much here to review

41:18

what we know about epstein up to this point

41:21

point life the nineteen

41:23

eighty one when he's on that plane douglas least

41:26

epstein had just left his job

41:28

at the investment firm bear stearns after

41:30

only five years the last under cloud

41:32

due to a regulatory violations the

41:35

spirit in

41:37

deposition years later

41:39

investigators were hammering epstein

41:42

with questions about insider trading

41:44

all the way to ceo the company well

41:47

before working at bear stearns the

41:49

had worked for two years teaching high

41:51

school math the

41:53

job that he laughed amidst complaints

41:55

that he was being inappropriate with his female students

41:57

surprise surprise and

42:02

that's it that's it that's his resume of

42:04

to this point is a college dropout somehow

42:07

got hired to teach mathematics adult and

42:09

school in elite private school

42:11

in new york who the

42:13

dude we can hire any high school math teacher the

42:15

country but went with this guy

42:18

who had no college degree and no experience

42:20

teaching one

42:22

of his students was the child of

42:24

a greenberg is a pretty well

42:26

known vice president at bear stearns

42:28

a big investment bank and epstein

42:31

supposed have befriended greenberg talked

42:33

his way into wall street job the

42:36

apparently starts out as junior trader

42:38

but soon gets moved into a different

42:40

area with from bear stearns

42:42

ceo jimmy cayne who

42:44

remain close to abstain years later in

42:47

who ran his shop in

42:49

a way that epstein would have appreciated the

42:52

said quote he

42:54

was not your conventional broker saying

42:56

by idea marcel xerox

42:59

given his mathematical background we put

43:01

him our special products division where

43:03

division where advise are wealthier clients

43:05

on a tax implications of their portfolios

43:09

he would recommend certain tax advantages

43:12

transactions

43:13

he's very smart guy and has become very

43:16

important client for the from his well

43:18

and quotes sony translate

43:20

that for the kids the back it

43:23

seems job it bear stearns was to help

43:26

rich people hide their money and

43:29

he did it for some very rich and some very

43:31

important people like charles bronfman

43:34

the billionaire from see grimm's liquor

43:36

fortune whose name will come up again

43:38

later it's

43:40

a that probably explains why epstein

43:42

maintained a strong relationship with bear

43:44

stearns and personally with jimmy

43:46

cayne east greenberg

43:48

even after being forced out of company for attracting

43:51

the attention of regulators

43:52

because he got caught doing exactly

43:54

what they were paying him to do maybe got little

43:57

overzealous with it's

43:59

an hour here the beginnings of picture

44:01

starts to emerge why

44:04

would high powered the

44:06

arms brokers like douglas lease

44:09

beyond private plane headed

44:11

to a meeting at pentagon with

44:13

twenty year old college dropout

44:15

assailed high school math teacher and

44:18

junior traitor who just got fired from his

44:20

in investment banking joe there

44:23

because he's not looking for math tutor or

44:25

for investment advice he's looking

44:27

for someone who knows how to hide and launder

44:30

money that's what epstein had

44:32

spent five years that bear stearns

44:34

learning how to do

44:37

later interviews at he was always

44:39

coy about his business during this

44:42

period but he was more open with would people

44:44

who knew him back in the past he

44:46

said he was a financial bounty hunter

44:49

could he was employed as after

44:52

he left bear stearns refuse in the early eighties

44:54

a financial bounty hunter then

44:57

in jesse corn bluth who was friends with

44:59

that's the in the nineteen eighties says it epstein told

45:01

him he consulted for governments and

45:04

companies and wealthy individuals to help

45:06

them recover stolen money and that

45:08

he also sometimes worked with people who

45:10

had stolen lot of money to help them hide

45:12

it another guy who knew

45:14

epstein the nineteen eighty says basically the same

45:16

thing i've seen told him he was financial bounty

45:19

hunter who specialized in hiding

45:21

in finding money and he also said

45:23

that epstein was one way or another connected

45:25

to intelligence agencies we

45:29

had seen had concocted this ridiculous

45:32

story about what was up

45:34

to those years after left bear stearns

45:36

started managing money himself that

45:39

is from only accepted accounts

45:41

of a billion dollars or more which

45:44

is just absurd this guys

45:46

hundred thirty years old has

45:48

no track record

45:51

no one's ever heard of any big trade

45:53

these mates but even get i'm on phone

45:56

you not only have to be billionaire but used

45:58

to have a billion dollar the to invest

46:01

just with him

46:03

it is so stupid that means one wall

46:05

street guy who knew him back then

46:07

tell the story about how he thought one

46:09

time that he would do epstein a solid in

46:12

so a wealthy friend his was

46:14

looking for a money manager to manage over six

46:17

hundred million dollars for him and said this guy

46:19

offered to set epstein up with him it

46:21

has been turned him down now because

46:23

his client list was father he was to best

46:25

he's that because the account was just

46:27

too small for him to bother with obviously

46:32

absurd someone

46:34

was six hundred million dollars to invest as audition

46:36

for his money managers they auditioned for him

46:40

especially in the nineteen eighties that's like billion

46:42

and half dollars now if you go to goldman

46:44

sachs the billion and a half

46:46

dollars to invest the

46:48

ceo with from will greet you at the door

46:50

before taking you on his private elevator

46:53

to a conference room where vice

46:55

presidents of the company will give you presentation

46:57

explaining how you're going to have a whole team of

46:59

analysts and traitors

47:01

assigned specifically to your account and

47:04

how they're going to be able to draw on data

47:06

and intelligent streams from around world

47:08

and how he'll be first in line for lucrative

47:10

private investments and i p o's in mergers

47:13

that are handled goldman sachs yeah this

47:15

kind of red carpet treatment you could expect

47:17

at the most powerful investment bank in

47:19

country if you showed up

47:21

with that kind of money and supposedly

47:23

this random guy nobody

47:26

really knows his in managing money for few

47:28

years on his own supposedly this

47:30

blows it off like it's beneath his notice

47:33

it is silly i think it's pretty obvious

47:35

what was going on

47:37

which is a he didn't want the account because jeffrey

47:39

epstein was not really running ahead

47:43

people want around players on wall street after

47:45

the whole epstein story blew up and ask people

47:48

people who know have any

47:50

you guys ever worked with this dude

47:54

do you know anyone

47:56

who has worked with him or done deal with him have

47:59

you heard

48:00

any big deal he's donner big trades

48:02

he's made

48:03

someone like epstein is to

48:05

explain the some to some of you who who

48:08

who are familiar with this world someone

48:10

like this guy who was supposedly managing

48:12

enough money for billionaires that

48:14

his personal fees which

48:17

often you can't one percent of the years profit

48:19

is kind of standard so if you're managing billion

48:21

dollars in the investments make ten percent

48:24

and percent of billion is one hundred million

48:26

us the manager get one percent of that's

48:29

so million dollars that year

48:32

that's still making way more

48:34

than million

48:37

you get the largest private residence in new

48:39

york city to nine stories tall with

48:41

forty fifty thousand square feet we're

48:44

seventy million dollars got

48:47

the largest private residence in the state

48:49

of new mexico on seventy five

48:51

hundred acre ranch he's

48:53

got a private island with temple on the

48:56

fleet of aircraft more

48:58

homes all the world

49:03

you suppose we a billionaire but you don't

49:05

become billionaire making ten million

49:07

or twenty million dollars a year doesn't knock

49:10

and gets you there the

49:12

get kind of money that epstein was showing

49:14

the get in a relatively short period of time really

49:16

just less than a decade six

49:18

or seven years he seems to be fully ramped

49:20

up you'd

49:23

have to be making moves in the market the the whole

49:25

world would see happened billionaires

49:28

don't add few shares of microsoft

49:30

to their he trade accounts the

49:33

billionaires hagar position

49:35

in the company meaning they

49:38

have meetings with various brokers who pulled

49:40

together enough shares and structure the

49:42

purchase in way that doesn't absorb all

49:44

the liquidity and make the marquis go

49:46

bonkers we don't do

49:48

that four years

49:51

without anyone else on wall street working

49:53

with you or knowing

49:55

anyone who worked with you the knowing

49:57

about any deals are trades you've made or

49:59

any

50:00

the work for you a hedge

50:02

fund is not just a guide

50:04

his computer making trades either hedge funds

50:06

have offices co of analysts

50:09

and traders an economist mathematicians

50:11

in accounts you name the

50:13

company's the whole operation have

50:15

seen didn't have any of it's

50:17

far as were aware

50:20

from his words two thousand three article quote

50:23

why do billionaires choose him as their trustee

50:26

because the problems the mega rich

50:29

the tells people are different from yours

50:31

and mine and his unique

50:33

philosophy is central to understanding those

50:35

problems

50:36

that seems very few people need

50:38

any more money when they have a billion dollars

50:41

the key is to not have it do

50:43

more harm than anything else you

50:45

don't wanna lose your money and quo

50:49

what again a billionaire can

50:51

have any money managers money

50:54

the biggest and most powerful

50:56

firms in the world would

50:58

fight over his account

51:02

they're supposedly giving it to this nobody

51:05

that pushed out of his farm for

51:07

regulatory violation and where he wasn't even

51:10

working as a traitor but special products

51:12

engineer film

51:14

which be much more limited on his own that

51:17

institutional backing

51:19

and they're not getting it because he just so brilliant

51:22

in this this eccentric genius

51:24

who just as some into a

51:26

she's gonna double our money

51:28

therefore we're going to take risk by giving our billion

51:30

dollars to this guy's know it's just they're

51:33

given to him just because they want to preserve what they have

51:36

this is not how the world works the

51:40

give your money to any investment bank in the world

51:42

and say structure this in conservative way

51:44

that's gonna make sure it's robust turbulence

51:46

and inflation and med i just don't

51:48

lose i have any been investment bank in a

51:50

in the world to do for you that's not

51:52

why you go to a guy like jeffrey epstein

51:56

in the real world you go to a guy like jeffrey

51:59

epstein get things the don't want anybody

52:01

else knowing about

52:04

if you think money laundering like

52:06

it's sort of afterthought to the criminal underworld

52:10

is boring the necessary

52:12

appendage to the real crimes know but money laundering

52:15

is is as central to

52:17

organized crime as it is to

52:19

intelligence operations nothing

52:22

happens without you're

52:25

running some off the books operation

52:27

like i don't know illegally

52:30

selling weapons to a ran in order to raise

52:32

money to illegally supply the nicaraguan

52:34

contras first know

52:36

like iran can just wire eight hundred million

52:39

dollars to the cia checking these

52:42

are massive sums of money that

52:44

are really only dealt with my institutions

52:46

and you've got a move it

52:48

around across where i mean it's

52:51

think about like a like four foot

52:53

high powered of cash one

52:55

hundred dollar bills is about fifty million

52:57

dollars south moving around is what

52:59

is this kind money you have to build do it through institutions

53:02

and if you're doing that and you're risking

53:04

having it detected interact with people you

53:06

don't want seeing you're

53:09

gonna move around again across borders

53:11

without anyone knowing or if they find out

53:14

to make sure that there's great legitimate

53:16

sounding story at least on first

53:18

pass about where this money came from what it's

53:20

doing this is what

53:22

epstein learn to do at bear stearns

53:25

it's what he did there it

53:27

helps explain why he

53:29

was on private plane with douglas lease

53:32

the same year the bear stearns dropped him

53:37

it also helps explain why lease

53:39

would introduce him to another big arms

53:41

dealer like on non kosher dogs

53:43

guys like that don't need a banker

53:45

they've got bankers they

53:47

always need good money

53:49

launderers the

53:52

third name that i mention

53:55

few minutes ago was robert maxwell

53:58

the british publishing mogul

54:01

douglas lease introduced epstein

54:03

to maxwell

54:05

in bid nineteen eighties and after getting to know

54:07

him for a couple years robert maxwell

54:09

introduced obscene to his

54:11

favorite daughter glenn maxwell

54:13

says nineteen eighty nineteen the

54:16

lane maxwell in jeffrey epstein as

54:18

is now well known became lovers

54:20

and confidence hand partners

54:22

in crime but he

54:25

also seems to have had role

54:28

assigned to her by

54:30

her father the

54:32

sort of all in one manager or

54:36

handler jeffrey epstein

54:40

your father she had access to the

54:42

wealthy and powerful people that we

54:44

now associate with epstein guys like prince

54:46

andrew where the clintons or whatever it

54:48

was through go lane that he got to know these

54:50

people she seems

54:52

to have been something like is i don't have social

54:54

manager she would make connections

54:56

and set him up with people bring him to

54:58

parties and events manages calendar

55:01

and his job was to show up been

55:04

be jeffrey epstein jeffrey epstein in her job

55:06

was to set everything up and kind of manage situation

55:10

what her father robert maxwell

55:13

the very interesting guy that

55:16

people don't remember in today especially in us

55:19

or if they do it's only because

55:21

he's the father of the notorious glenn

55:23

maxwell but he was one

55:25

the most famous man in britain and one of

55:27

them wealthiest and most connected men connected

55:30

planet earth until his mysterious

55:32

death and ninety and ninety robert

55:36

maxwell birth name was

55:38

abraham leave and

55:40

it would change dozen times throughout his life

55:43

then

55:44

you fifteen his name was yarn

55:46

ludovic i'm in binyamin hoch

55:48

and nazi germany i just

55:50

annexed a large chunk of his home country

55:53

of czechoslovakia next

55:55

year hungry absorb of his last

55:57

and yawn coming from an orthodox

55:59

jew family see the writing

56:01

on the wall and so he escaped to france

56:04

in may nineteen forty for

56:06

he joins ever to czechoslovakia an army exile

56:08

just in time for france to be overrun

56:10

by the germans the

56:13

yarn is forced to escape again this

56:15

time to england posing as a french

56:17

soldier and using surname that he caught

56:19

from a brand of friends cigarettes very resourceful

56:22

guy this is a young man sixteen

56:24

seventeen year old kid once

56:26

get the england

56:29

the links up with czechoslovak and

56:31

zionist groups there but

56:33

eventually becomes frustrated with czechoslovak

56:36

government in exile and so he joins

56:38

up with the british military first

56:40

engineering core and then

56:42

in nineteen forty three he hooks

56:44

up with combat unit that saw action

56:46

from normandy invasion all the way to berlin

56:50

these are plenty of combat he also

56:52

participated in ugly businesslike interrogating

56:55

captured nazis later

56:57

he'd be implicated in a war crimes

56:59

investigation for murdering the

57:01

norm german civilians

57:04

in january nineteen forty five to

57:07

few months before the war's end was

57:09

panned by british general been bernard montgomery

57:11

with a military cross for storming machine

57:13

gun nest that's

57:15

in the military cross of this was the second

57:17

highest british military awarded time same

57:20

as distinguished service cross or navy

57:22

cross of you assets said the

57:24

guy award

57:27

yeah made sergeant during the war and

57:29

then received an officers commission at the rank of

57:31

captain right as the war was wrapping

57:33

up nineteen forty five well

57:36

again you can tell this guy is hustler it

57:38

escapes two countries has five or

57:40

six name's joins two armies

57:42

in fights his way to france germany all before

57:44

his twenty fifth birthday the

57:47

guy to hustler and grinder and

57:50

he gets things done when done when his mind to after

57:54

the war yeah with

57:56

attached to the british foreign

57:58

office spent the next to years working for

58:00

the british government's prm propaganda house

58:03

in berlin where they put his

58:05

considerable language skills to work according

58:08

one of biographers later he was eventually

58:10

fluent in nine languages which i

58:12

don't know maybe that's a bit exaggerated but certainly

58:14

he spoke at least four five the

58:18

nineteen forty six he was naturalized

58:20

as a british citizen

58:23

and he used the contacted he made

58:25

during the war as well as those that he

58:27

had from before the war back eastern europe

58:30

to start up an import up export business

58:32

between uk and the east

58:36

the most if not all of ya

58:38

hoax immediate family had killed

58:40

during war like

58:43

many jews at the time he was looking

58:45

to palestine is the only permanent solution

58:47

their troubles in europe and elsewhere

58:50

the nine isn't presented bit of a problem because

58:53

it ran headlong into official

58:55

british interests and policy after

58:57

the war after facilitating

58:59

and for years britain had begun

59:02

severely restricting jewish immigration

59:04

to palestine just before the outbreak

59:06

of war because the a terrible effects

59:08

that the emerging jewish palestinian conflict

59:11

was having on britain's relations with the arab countries

59:14

and they continue this policy more last

59:17

after the war the

59:19

by this point the zionist

59:21

believe the zionist palestine believe

59:24

that there ready to handle the

59:26

arabs on their own if only the british would

59:28

simply get out of country but

59:31

it never was the official british policy the hand

59:33

palestine over to do is control and

59:35

they'd spent a lot of time and money fighting

59:37

for in developing the region over the years so the

59:39

british for not eager to be driven off it

59:42

would help motivate them thine

59:44

is terrorists began attacking british

59:46

personnel palestine the

59:48

fascinating british officials in other

59:51

countries they

59:53

blew up the british headquarters it kinda david

59:55

hotel killing ninety one people mail

59:58

bombed to british effects back england

1:00:02

stephenson mail bomb to the white house

1:00:04

addressed to president truman according

1:00:07

to a memoir written by the

1:00:09

man who served as the head of white house mail

1:00:11

room under six presidents and

1:00:13

an account it's confirmed by truman's own daughter

1:00:15

in her memoir the

1:00:17

your martyr made listener cod know this story

1:00:21

there's i still had their boosters in the british

1:00:23

government but by the late forties

1:00:26

relations had deteriorated enough

1:00:29

that to things where things were difficult

1:00:31

session the ground there was great deal of hatred

1:00:34

passing between the british and and design

1:00:36

is there in palestine so that when

1:00:38

the british were finally driven out the country

1:00:40

nineteen forty eight they were very bitter about it any

1:00:43

slack the weapons embargo on the emerging

1:00:46

israeli state just as war was coming

1:00:48

with it's arab neighbors said get

1:00:50

people and weapons into palestine designers

1:00:52

going have to work through on official

1:00:54

channels

1:00:56

the get around the british blockade and

1:00:58

they drew on every thread that could reach

1:01:02

for example lyndon johnson us

1:01:04

president after kennedy the

1:01:07

jewish historian from texas

1:01:09

named louis gameloft studied l

1:01:11

bee jay's early relationship with zionist

1:01:14

between way back his and was founding member

1:01:16

zionist organization of america

1:01:18

and gonna walk found evidence

1:01:20

that lbj and his friend jim novi

1:01:23

who was a wealthy zionist down there in texas

1:01:25

where lbj operated

1:01:27

were involved together and smuggling weapons

1:01:29

into palestine in priests that marked

1:01:31

for texas grapefruit the

1:01:35

gun like doesn't really explain how the smuggling

1:01:37

was accomplished but it was not a us government

1:01:39

operation i was something

1:01:41

lbj was doing on his own in

1:01:43

violation of american law

1:01:47

the raising the money to buy large

1:01:49

quantities of military hardware and

1:01:52

getting that hardware off the books

1:01:54

and then shipping halfway around the world

1:01:56

to a country under embargo by the british

1:01:59

the major operation it's

1:02:02

handled by not

1:02:04

just some guy that you met down to bar is

1:02:06

going be handled by established i'm

1:02:09

arguing outfit if

1:02:11

you talking about smuggling in the midst

1:02:13

of the total destruction of

1:02:15

commerce and infrastructure following second

1:02:17

world war you're going be dealing with

1:02:19

organized crime help

1:02:22

for that jewish mobsters

1:02:24

in the united states and other countries tend to

1:02:26

sympathetic to zionist because

1:02:28

while partly because both groups were at war

1:02:31

in different ways with communists another

1:02:34

string the design is pulled on was that

1:02:36

of young jewish war veteran

1:02:39

earned import export business man

1:02:41

from czechoslovakia exactly

1:02:44

kind of person who would know how get things from one

1:02:46

place to another in complicated postwar

1:02:49

environment the new

1:02:51

communist government in prague in

1:02:53

an agreement to ship weapons many of them seized

1:02:56

from germans to design

1:02:58

is in exchange for cash they

1:03:00

still need to way to get the gear down

1:03:02

to palestine and that's where men

1:03:04

like our current protagonist yawn

1:03:06

hawk got things from

1:03:09

one place to to another for a living

1:03:11

came in the weapons shipments

1:03:13

from czechoslovakia that facilitated

1:03:15

by yeah hook into time were

1:03:19

considered decisive in that first war

1:03:21

against the arabs israeli war of independence

1:03:24

especially because of the aircraft deliberate aircraft

1:03:26

which were the specific smuggling assignment

1:03:28

of yarn good vic hyman binyamin

1:03:30

hoch

1:03:33

actually he had officially changed his name

1:03:35

the better fit into british society by this point

1:03:37

so we will call him by his new name robert

1:03:40

maxwell and

1:03:42

nineteen fifty one maxwell

1:03:45

the only twenty years old amazingly

1:03:48

think about it he bought small

1:03:50

publisher of scientific books

1:03:53

and he gains us and uk

1:03:55

distribution rights for a much larger

1:03:57

continental european publisher of scientific

1:03:59

books i don't know

1:04:01

too many the details these businesses in the early

1:04:03

days but according to a least two of his

1:04:05

biographers maxwell had

1:04:07

an effect monopoly editing

1:04:10

and distributing scientific

1:04:12

and engineering journals being translated

1:04:14

into english out of germany and other

1:04:16

european countries the

1:04:19

for long he built the company into major

1:04:21

publishing house and have become extremely

1:04:23

wealthy the nineteen

1:04:25

sixties he runs for and

1:04:28

wins a seat in the house commons

1:04:31

the early nineteen eighties he buys group

1:04:34

of six newspapers including the daily mirror

1:04:37

few years later he buys macmillan one the

1:04:39

big five english language publishers

1:04:42

that

1:04:43

the new york daily news he tried

1:04:45

with the billionaire charles bronfman of

1:04:47

the see grooms liquor fortune to buy

1:04:49

the jerusalem post

1:04:52

the end of the nineteen eighties robert

1:04:54

maxwell was one the most famous men in britain

1:04:57

there's one of the world's most well known publishers

1:04:59

and his empire was vast

1:05:03

the net worth according to forbes was in the wanted

1:05:05

to billion range which is maybe

1:05:07

four or five billion dollars today at

1:05:09

time when there are lot fewer billionaires

1:05:11

you know like now every random hedge

1:05:13

fund manager college dropout computer programmer

1:05:16

is a billion dollars that was not i was back then where

1:05:21

the combat veteran the businessman

1:05:24

linguist smuggler

1:05:27

the and inexperienced propagandists

1:05:29

with contact across europe including behind

1:05:31

the iron curtain as well as in britain and the

1:05:33

middle east robert maxwell

1:05:35

was obviously very interesting to

1:05:37

intelligence agencies after the war

1:05:39

and throughout his life

1:05:41

the british foreign office and the

1:05:43

f b i for awhile

1:05:45

the respected that he might been working for the

1:05:47

russians but most people who have researched

1:05:50

the topic i think this is probably misunderstanding

1:05:53

in your rubber maxwell it's

1:05:56

hard to relate the guy like this

1:05:59

the he was really is larger than life

1:06:02

international figure who

1:06:04

seem to have almost perceived himself

1:06:07

as a as a sovereign country

1:06:10

rob the leaders of actual sovereign countries

1:06:13

kowtow to him all the time call on

1:06:15

him to ask for favors and beg for support

1:06:18

and drawn his connections around

1:06:20

the world he's not call member of the calling him

1:06:22

for help

1:06:25

it definitely true that maxwell was doing

1:06:27

things for the kgb and the

1:06:29

czechoslovakia communists in the nineteen sixties

1:06:32

did his friend jeffrey robinson his former

1:06:34

british and peeves been described as maxwell's

1:06:36

bag man during that same period time but

1:06:40

maxwell think would not have felt

1:06:43

he was an asset of soviet intelligence

1:06:45

because he was not some normal citizen

1:06:48

he would have seen himself more like the way

1:06:50

he was actually treated which was

1:06:52

as sort of freelance

1:06:54

unofficial diplomat who who

1:06:57

the a british citizen but really he kind

1:06:59

of exists and eliminate spaces between

1:07:02

these establish power structures

1:07:06

the f b i and british foreign office probably

1:07:08

saw maxwell sneaking around eastern europe

1:07:11

meeting with soviet kgb officials

1:07:13

in thought he might working on their behalf but

1:07:16

we know today that maxwell

1:07:18

only serve two masters himself

1:07:21

and the zionist state of israel association

1:07:26

with israeli intelligence began with smuggling

1:07:28

weapons in the media postwar years and

1:07:30

over the years his role grew as

1:07:34

someone who had planes

1:07:36

yards contact

1:07:38

across the world access to important

1:07:40

people legitimate business

1:07:42

interests to provide excuses for international

1:07:45

travel and meetings the messiah

1:07:47

israeli mossad put robert maxwell

1:07:49

the many uses over the years the

1:07:53

messiah needed to get a message

1:07:55

to the head the kgb without

1:07:58

generating official record maxwell

1:08:00

delivered

1:08:02

if the messiah needed money for an operation

1:08:05

but it couldn't be seen as coming from them

1:08:07

maxwell would arrange to make happen

1:08:11

in general he would just keep his eyes

1:08:13

and ears as well the eyes and ears the

1:08:16

reporters working for him open for anything

1:08:18

that might be of interest to israeli intelligence

1:08:22

ninety ninety one man

1:08:24

named are you been menashe

1:08:27

a approached several british news organizations

1:08:29

with some stories about proper maxwell

1:08:33

the eminase was an arms dealer and

1:08:35

a ten year veteran of israeli military

1:08:37

intelligence he claims

1:08:39

that maxwell and his foreign editor

1:08:41

at daily mirror nicholas davies

1:08:44

we're both long time assad agents

1:08:47

and that among other things maxwell

1:08:49

had informed the israeli government of the identity

1:08:51

of the israeli whistleblower mordechai

1:08:53

vanunu in nineteen eighty six after

1:08:56

vanunu approached one of maxwell's papers

1:08:58

with evidence exposing israel's long

1:09:01

denied nuclear program them

1:09:04

and are she also claimed that maxwell

1:09:06

had helped set one honey trap that

1:09:08

led to vanunu been kidnapped in rome

1:09:11

then shipped off to israel thrown in prison he

1:09:13

also claimed that robert maxwell had

1:09:15

played a role in what became

1:09:17

known as the iran contra affair of

1:09:20

the reagan administration

1:09:25

remember several years ago in

1:09:28

my former life with the department of defense

1:09:31

one time we all had to attend training evolution

1:09:34

on how to recognize an insider

1:09:36

threat meaning hello

1:09:39

dear the employee your contractor who might

1:09:41

leak classified information foreign

1:09:43

governments are or other parties at us

1:09:45

government would not want f

1:09:48

they tell to watch out for people who suddenly

1:09:51

start showing lot of money or

1:09:53

people who are known to gamble lauder who

1:09:55

owe a lot of money the

1:09:57

my cause them want to do something like cel

1:09:59

millie eerie secrets to another country as

1:10:02

part his training they went through may

1:10:04

be a dozen real

1:10:06

life historical examples of

1:10:08

people who had done this like in recent decades

1:10:11

so that we could see the patterns and kind get a profile

1:10:13

would look for

1:10:15

but it is strange awkward elephant

1:10:17

in room

1:10:19

than a dozen or so real

1:10:21

life examples they covered all

1:10:24

but two maybe

1:10:26

three shared

1:10:28

one very obvious characteristic

1:10:31

nobody was mentioning namely

1:10:33

that

1:10:33

almost all these espionage examples it they

1:10:35

provided were carried out by

1:10:37

americans have certain ethnic origins

1:10:40

who were leaking secrets to their the

1:10:43

ancestral homeland that

1:10:45

have a feeling of national duty or pride

1:10:49

as

1:10:49

they go through three for

1:10:51

examples

1:10:53

that and eighty nine examples where

1:10:55

this pattern holds is becoming little awkward

1:10:57

the room because there's an obvious question

1:10:59

be ass but one that

1:11:01

no one doing his training really wants to

1:11:03

answer

1:11:06

thou leave it me everyone

1:11:08

knows i'm bit of troll but you

1:11:10

know my trolling usually as usually purpose the

1:11:13

entertainer i ever i get out of it's sort

1:11:15

of a side effect or

1:11:17

maybe if i'm being honest one the side

1:11:20

effects of entertaining myself as it's some actual

1:11:22

purposes also served i like to think so

1:11:25

and so i raised my hand and

1:11:27

point out the obvious that most of their

1:11:29

examples involved chinese americans

1:11:31

weekend to china jewish americans

1:11:34

week and israel a russian american

1:11:36

legion to russia etc and

1:11:38

i asked how we should handle that information

1:11:41

as we go forth to spy and inform

1:11:43

on our work colleagues your

1:11:45

pin drop in the place

1:11:47

this by the way is how you make yourself

1:11:50

very popular with the rank and file and very

1:11:52

unpopular with upper management then

1:11:55

wouldn't put the bear if didn't think the road doing

1:11:58

us genuine disservice by not address the

1:12:00

question goes in important question

1:12:02

and relevant one and so

1:12:04

the trainers clearly uncomfortable

1:12:06

and doesn't want to answer the question but least

1:12:08

he was icy he told us not told consider

1:12:11

that information that all the

1:12:13

put it out of our minds i

1:12:16

understand discomfort i

1:12:19

got a bunch of raised eyebrows in dirty looks

1:12:21

just for asking the question

1:12:24

the hard problem for

1:12:26

a multi ethnic multi cultural

1:12:29

open society like ours it's

1:12:31

a genuinely hard prompt the

1:12:33

orange china

1:12:35

chinese intelligence probably has file

1:12:37

on every single person of european

1:12:40

ancestry in their entire country they're

1:12:43

not putting anyone

1:12:45

these parents were german

1:12:47

american in charge of their military

1:12:49

research laboratories there

1:12:52

are many people like that in china anyway

1:12:56

during cold war we were able

1:12:58

call on ideological

1:13:01

sympathy the recruit assets

1:13:03

from behind the iron curtain

1:13:05

we can't appeal to foreigners

1:13:08

american patriotism or ethnic

1:13:10

pride the way that other countries might

1:13:12

be able to call on

1:13:14

ethnic pride or nationalism to

1:13:16

recruit assets in america

1:13:20

moreover when you try to figure it out

1:13:22

disloyalty and large groups where

1:13:25

the pattern of offender the

1:13:27

predictable but the vast majority of

1:13:29

people are not problem things go

1:13:31

wrong very fast

1:13:34

it's really hard to be effective without

1:13:36

casting very wide net but casting

1:13:38

wide net for potential traders and

1:13:40

saboteurs and subversive has

1:13:42

been the cause of many of the ugliest events

1:13:44

in human history

1:13:47

few japanese americans help

1:13:50

down japanese pilot on the hawaiian island

1:13:52

niihau after pearl harbor and

1:13:54

pretty soon one hundred and twenty thousand japanese

1:13:56

are being rounded up and thrown into camps they

1:13:59

can understand why the trainer

1:14:01

just wanted to get through his course without addressing

1:14:04

a topic that might not have any good answer

1:14:07

but that we know from experience as many

1:14:09

bad ones put

1:14:12

him on horns of a dilemma the

1:14:14

left with only two choices neither have very

1:14:16

good he could do it did in tell

1:14:18

us not to notice what was very

1:14:20

obvious and relevant information

1:14:22

the would undermine his training by showing

1:14:24

that the government is not so concerned about

1:14:26

protecting military secrets that would risk offending

1:14:29

anyone or

1:14:31

go to other route and risk becoming

1:14:34

the subject of an hr complaint for

1:14:36

telling us to watch out for those sneaky

1:14:38

risk east china million jews maybe

1:14:41

there's a healthy acceptable

1:14:43

middle ground in there but i don't blame him

1:14:45

for not wanting to find out but

1:14:48

we're not talking about nationalities

1:14:52

all religions or ethnicities

1:14:55

we're talking about behavior of governments

1:14:58

and intelligence agencies

1:15:01

someone brings up mk ultra or

1:15:03

see i interference in other countries and

1:15:05

will pull up like how dare you say that about

1:15:07

americans the cia

1:15:09

is not synonymous with americans there's

1:15:13

like chinese state security is not synonymous

1:15:15

with chinese people and them assad is

1:15:17

not synonymous with choose

1:15:21

we refuse to deal honestly

1:15:23

with history

1:15:24

their fear of what people my do

1:15:27

with this information

1:15:29

we just drive discussion underground where

1:15:31

it rots investors and it

1:15:33

stink reemerge is it inconvenient

1:15:36

and unexpected moments the

1:15:39

to your kid wanders accidentally

1:15:41

on to four chan and some when they're says

1:15:43

something about the disproportionate number of jews

1:15:45

in the first soviet government's secret police

1:15:48

and your kid things well things never heard

1:15:50

that i'm gonna go ask my teacher

1:15:52

mister silverstein the

1:15:54

silverstein i read online that majority

1:15:57

the communists secret police were jewish is that

1:15:59

true

1:16:00

the silverstein says of course

1:16:02

that's not true and if you continue

1:16:04

with that nonsense can end up in principal's

1:16:07

office young man

1:16:09

you can't even really find much on google he has use

1:16:11

duck duck go get any straightforward information

1:16:13

on the topic of course

1:16:16

he finds out eventually that is true

1:16:18

and it this guy on fourteen and was the only one

1:16:20

who didn't want one the body

1:16:23

well what other secret now it's just guy

1:16:25

on fourteen have

1:16:27

oh he says it it wasn't just early soviet

1:16:29

government he says there's global conspiracy

1:16:32

by powerful jews against white christian

1:16:34

countries

1:16:36

well he would ask mister silverstein about

1:16:38

this or his parents because

1:16:41

they should know but he's already learned that

1:16:43

they're either lying or part the cover up

1:16:47

the now he's cut off from outside influences

1:16:49

on the subject and he's in this whole

1:16:52

radical it's

1:16:54

it's like mental disease i've seen consume

1:16:56

intelligent people before my very eyes your

1:16:58

one day someone is criticizing

1:17:00

them assad and you're like right on next

1:17:03

day's talking about uss liberty

1:17:05

you're like okay and

1:17:07

before long you can't bring the guy

1:17:09

and a mixed company because cannot get through a conversation

1:17:12

without mentioning the juice this half

1:17:14

since

1:17:17

didn't you great extent the result

1:17:20

of having legitimate discussions on

1:17:22

some these topics controlled and shut down

1:17:25

it's not the result i'm

1:17:27

a failure to control shutdown these

1:17:30

discussions

1:17:32

this is a difficult obstacle to getting people

1:17:34

look squarely at the jeffrey epstein story

1:17:37

no one would worry much about

1:17:39

suggesting jeffrey epstein was being

1:17:41

run by russian intelligence but

1:17:44

everyone seems to know that they're walking on thin

1:17:46

ice when they bring up the overwhelming circumstantial

1:17:49

evidence of his involvement with israeli intelligence

1:17:53

the deal or just tricks

1:17:55

in and again not tricked by nations are religions

1:17:58

or ethnicities but by gov and

1:18:00

intelligence agencies who want to control

1:18:02

discourse for their own purposes they're

1:18:05

, tricks and

1:18:07

we should not offer them

1:18:13

or too

1:18:17

go i

1:18:22

know what the class

1:18:28

and i know what's been going on

1:18:30

since

1:18:35

and i think you

1:18:38

just might

1:18:41

and wrong idea about one

1:18:43

or two things

1:19:00

he had bruise on his face that's

1:19:03

hell of lot less than he deserves this

1:19:06

bill since you realize what realize trouble

1:19:09

you

1:19:11

who do you think those people work overnight

1:19:14

, ordinary people people

1:19:16

i told you their names i'm

1:19:19

not going to tell you that spotify does

1:19:21

ethics sleep so

1:19:45

yes

1:19:54

there

1:19:54

is our body in morgue

1:20:01

we see

1:20:06

was she at

1:20:08

point

1:20:16

yes

1:20:20

she was

1:20:32

richard

1:20:35

the woman line that in the morgue yeah

1:20:50

victor maybe i'm missing

1:20:56

you called it sake charade

1:21:00

you mind telling me what kind such

1:21:03

and charade s we

1:21:13

okay the list let's let's just

1:21:15

cut the bullshit or ice human

1:21:18

, are you depths of last twenty four

1:21:20

hours you want to know what kind a charade tell you

1:21:22

exactly what kind kind

1:21:26

whole plastic take me

1:21:28

sony sacrifices you been here for

1:21:30

yourself off with had absolutely nothing

1:21:32

to do with her real deaths nothing

1:21:34

happened to her after you left that party that hadn't happened

1:21:36

to her before she got a got when

1:21:42

they took her home she was

1:21:44

to justify

1:21:46

then

1:21:47

arrested as right there in place as she was

1:21:49

a chelsea cod there

1:21:51

was was or door was locked from the

1:21:53

inside the police officer source

1:21:56

mine

1:21:59

was

1:22:00

always going to be just matter of time with her

1:22:02

remember he told her so yourself so

1:22:04

yourself the with the one with the great tits will deal in my

1:22:06

bathroom

1:22:24

this bill nobody

1:22:27

killed anyway someone

1:22:29

dies happens all time

1:22:33

life goes on know

1:22:35

, does does doesn't

1:22:40

would you know that don't

1:22:43

doing with situation like

1:22:45

the jeffrey epstein issue epstein his

1:22:47

potential

1:22:50

connections to intelligence agencies

1:22:52

relationships with intelligence agencies

1:22:56

for all of our sort of conspiratorial

1:22:59

i thing about cia and

1:23:01

all the stuff we do know about

1:23:03

what intelligence agencies have gotten

1:23:06

up to and the twentieth century superficially

1:23:08

a lot of us are super super cynical

1:23:11

i know they would do anything they would they would

1:23:13

overthrow governments just helper

1:23:15

corporation increase the bottom my whatever

1:23:17

it is we have no problem theoretically

1:23:21

the leaving they would be capable

1:23:23

of these things but , reality

1:23:25

we were confronted with something new not

1:23:28

something from history something emerges like this

1:23:30

epstein obscene story

1:23:34

and most people including myself they

1:23:36

tend to have sort of block

1:23:38

to they have to overcome where you still

1:23:40

despite all of that the

1:23:43

have this sort of inborn

1:23:45

base assumption now

1:23:48

now they wouldn't do that like that's too far

1:23:51

they did just not possible with it's not possible

1:23:55

somebody would spoken up there's just

1:23:57

so it's just not possible the

1:24:01

thing is it's happened before the

1:24:05

happened before in northern ireland the

1:24:08

early nineteen sixties the

1:24:10

young ulsterman name calling

1:24:12

wallace was recruited into the

1:24:14

british army's public relations and

1:24:18

psychological operations branch in northern

1:24:20

ireland

1:24:23

the up to this point there hadn't really been

1:24:25

much trouble between catholics and protestants

1:24:27

for some time and so

1:24:29

at the time the northern ireland

1:24:31

assignment was kind of considered sleepy

1:24:34

the assignment place people would go to retire

1:24:37

things like that and as i was when

1:24:39

wallace first got picked up there the

1:24:42

the nineteen sixties happen

1:24:44

just about every country had it's version

1:24:46

of the nineteen sixties and so

1:24:48

by nineteen sixty eight northern irish

1:24:50

catholics were out in the streets protesting

1:24:53

there political domination

1:24:55

by the protestants that were loyal to the british

1:24:58

empire this

1:25:00

in the air lead to face in face

1:25:04

this led to bottles and rocks

1:25:06

which led to tear gas and bullets which led

1:25:08

to bombs and before

1:25:10

long the dark area known as the troubles

1:25:12

had begun in northern ireland and

1:25:16

so all a sudden

1:25:18

the northern ireland assignment for british

1:25:21

military intelligence in

1:25:23

the administrative officials was no longer

1:25:26

considered a retirement to suddenly

1:25:29

was at the center of british

1:25:31

foreign and in in way domestic policy

1:25:33

sore as the security services were

1:25:35

concerned it was the first

1:25:37

priority

1:25:41

this was a view of

1:25:43

the situation with which

1:25:45

are guide common wallace the the

1:25:47

intelligence officer who was hired there

1:25:49

that were talking about ski actually agreed with

1:25:51

this outlook wholeheartedly the

1:25:54

he was one of those guys you

1:25:57

know the type who who who just finds his

1:25:59

home in the me the carry on wallace was

1:26:01

loves everything about the military

1:26:03

i takes his duty completely

1:26:06

seriously buys into everything

1:26:08

they tell him believes whatever

1:26:10

the official sources in his country

1:26:12

tell him is going on that says who

1:26:14

this guy was just an ironic true

1:26:17

believer

1:26:19

the northern ireland his job was

1:26:22

to cause other people the

1:26:25

believe this the same way with

1:26:27

beginning of troubles his

1:26:29

job had gone from steady

1:26:33

routine of like a pr professional

1:26:35

publicizing community outreach

1:26:38

events and

1:26:40

fielding mundane questions from the press

1:26:43

the now

1:26:44

he it being engaged in full on information

1:26:47

warfare and

1:26:50

and black propaganda

1:26:52

designed to help fight the war on

1:26:55

irish terror so

1:26:57

for example

1:26:59

the provisional irish republican army

1:27:01

which was the militant wing of the

1:27:04

ira that british were struggling with

1:27:06

northern ireland had , it's

1:27:08

hands on some russian made rocket launchers

1:27:10

at one point point these

1:27:12

rocket launchers had defect in firing

1:27:15

mechanism that often cause i'm dumb malfunction

1:27:17

occasionally explode on the on the

1:27:20

british authorities captured a few of these and

1:27:22

grable to figure out the cause of failures

1:27:24

but they didn't want a higher rate of figure

1:27:26

it out at least they wanted to delay

1:27:29

them figuring it out as as long as possible

1:27:32

and so they planted stories in press

1:27:34

is one of cohen wallace's projects

1:27:37

planting stories planting press saying that launchers

1:27:39

had been found to be defective but

1:27:41

it was due to something other than that other

1:27:44

firing mechanism the trigger mechanism if

1:27:47

me it was really meant hold up over time

1:27:49

but if it distracts the ira

1:27:51

from the confident use of these rocket launchers

1:27:54

for while until they figured out that would

1:27:56

be considered when that was kind of thing that he was

1:27:58

engaged fair

1:28:00

enough

1:28:01

right fair enough use of information

1:28:03

obscene a troubled era area

1:28:05

with a counterinsurgency going on

1:28:10

other times they would plant rumors

1:28:12

and press or mom just people

1:28:14

about irish rebel leaders

1:28:18

they would put out stories designed

1:28:20

to cause the public to hate in

1:28:22

blame the ira for the violence basic

1:28:24

propaganda stuff he

1:28:26

was also his job to deal with any

1:28:28

pr fall out from

1:28:31

the mass roundups in detention

1:28:33

without trial large

1:28:35

numbers of irish catholics the

1:28:39

nineteen seventy two the

1:28:41

demonstration against this policy

1:28:43

of round up and internal without

1:28:45

trial a demonstration against

1:28:48

this was fired upon by british soldiers

1:28:51

fourteen on on people got killed another twelve

1:28:53

were wounded i'm

1:28:55

in things kind of kept escalating bombings

1:28:57

became a regular occurrence the

1:29:00

ugly small unit street

1:29:02

fighting and ambushes that

1:29:06

don't end with

1:29:08

one guy hoisting flag up on

1:29:10

top the building and victory but with

1:29:12

the other guy being tied which here and

1:29:14

damp basement

1:29:18

so the british as a as has brought in

1:29:20

special air service are

1:29:22

there special forces and

1:29:26

many counterinsurgency experts

1:29:28

with experience in kenya and other

1:29:30

parts the world of brought in there's

1:29:33

certain point

1:29:35

believe nineteen seventy three responsibility

1:29:38

, intelligence operations in northern

1:29:40

ireland is transferred from the portfolio

1:29:43

m i six which is britain's

1:29:46

foreign intelligence agency like the cia

1:29:49

to m i five which is britain's

1:29:52

domestic intelligence agency sort

1:29:54

of like the f b i not exactly but m

1:29:57

i six in traditionally handled nor

1:30:00

in ireland even else was technically a domestic

1:30:02

operation because ireland was foreign

1:30:04

country and was just easier

1:30:07

for the same agency to cover both

1:30:09

ireland and northern ireland butts

1:30:11

for some reason it was transferred to

1:30:14

m i five in the middle of all this trouble in the

1:30:16

early seventies and

1:30:18

all people involved they

1:30:21

that things really began to change once

1:30:23

m i five the charge

1:30:27

information operations common wallace

1:30:29

was taking part in became much more aggressive

1:30:33

they began planting completely

1:30:36

false stories in the press maligning

1:30:39

catholic leaders the attempting

1:30:41

to incite infighting and

1:30:44

using these false stories

1:30:46

to influence public opinion not only ireland

1:30:49

but in northern ireland in in britain itself

1:30:51

so they're propagandize in the british people

1:30:53

now

1:30:56

uncommon wallace is going along

1:30:58

with songs like a good soldier nice doing

1:31:00

is jammed fight the war on terror that's

1:31:03

that's how he still approaching the

1:31:05

kind of guy yes sir yes sir

1:31:09

and every time he becomes just

1:31:11

, you've you read the reports and

1:31:14

and the testimony of people who are there people

1:31:16

he worked for who work for him he

1:31:19

becomes a major figure up there

1:31:21

is far as like these middle management

1:31:23

of the military intelligence apparatus

1:31:25

is dealing with this area very respected recognized

1:31:29

expert

1:31:30

northern ireland in is often brought in answer

1:31:32

questions and provide brief to generals

1:31:35

and high government officials and

1:31:37

a twenty nine years old he becomes the youngest

1:31:39

person ever to make lieutenant colonel in british

1:31:42

military the release

1:31:44

d with the youngest one of the time maybe that's

1:31:46

really

1:31:49

after bloody sunday that bloodbath

1:31:51

and seventy two that mentioned second ago politicians

1:31:55

back britain are starting to feel pressure to

1:31:57

put an end to this whole problem

1:31:59

northern ireland the they start making noises

1:32:01

about peace negotiations

1:32:05

the conservative government is in charge

1:32:07

the time and even

1:32:09

they're talking about going meet with

1:32:12

leaders the irish republican army to try to

1:32:14

work something out

1:32:17

the labour party opposition is talking openly

1:32:19

about cutting a deal if they

1:32:22

win next election

1:32:24

soon those meetings with the ira do

1:32:26

start app and and the security services

1:32:29

in northern ireland m i five military

1:32:31

intelligence they go intellect

1:32:33

for panic mode they're just not having

1:32:38

the nineteen seventy two prime minister

1:32:40

harold wilson met with ira leaders

1:32:42

in dublin and next year the northern

1:32:45

ireland minister willie whitelaw made

1:32:47

similar contact this

1:32:49

utterly shocked opinion in every officers

1:32:52

mess in ulster and in m i five

1:32:54

who took over intelligence operations there

1:32:56

from m i six in nineteen seventy three

1:32:59

exactly like the french army before

1:33:01

it in algeria these key

1:33:03

circles within the british army now decided

1:33:06

that in order to prevent a sell out

1:33:08

of the imperial position in the overseas province

1:33:10

by leftists gonna let harold

1:33:12

wilson are weak minded centrists

1:33:15

the or finland edward heath

1:33:18

the military must ensure that the right

1:33:20

sort of government came to power

1:33:23

operation clockwork orange was

1:33:25

precisely this an attempt

1:33:27

to smear and undermine labor leaders

1:33:29

and tory tory wetzel like

1:33:33

the short term aim being to prevent labour

1:33:35

being elected in february nineteen seventy

1:33:37

four and deposed the

1:33:39

likes of he's and whitelaw from the

1:33:41

tory leadership

1:33:43

anyone who helped the minority labour

1:33:45

government in power that's fair

1:33:47

game thanks to peter rights

1:33:49

revelations and

1:33:51

peter wright was a high

1:33:53

level british intelligence officer who wrote

1:33:55

an expos a about some of this

1:33:58

we're more more familiar with

1:34:00

what went on in this period though it is important

1:34:02

to say that cohen wallace was the first

1:34:04

to make public admission of these campaigns

1:34:06

while before right

1:34:09

homosexual smears were directed against

1:34:11

edward heath jeremy thorpe norman

1:34:13

st john's steve us and humphrey berkeley

1:34:17

bogus bank accounts showing corrupt

1:34:19

earnings were contrived for edward

1:34:21

short and ian paisley wilson

1:34:24

was seen as the beneficiary of

1:34:26

and possible participant in the

1:34:28

assassination of hugh gaitskell

1:34:31

list were drawn up such not tories

1:34:33

communists and communist sympathizers

1:34:35

as brian waldman david

1:34:38

allen robert malice johnstone

1:34:40

house roy hattersley and read

1:34:42

prentice

1:34:43

and even a bogus pamphlet on revolutionary

1:34:46

strategy for the installation socialism

1:34:48

in britain was contrived for

1:34:50

off the record briefing of american journalists

1:34:53

the joint authors being tony

1:34:55

benn stan warm and denis healey

1:34:58

one is tempted to say that even in the

1:35:00

m five officers mess the idea

1:35:02

of denis healey collaborating with mr

1:35:04

benn mr warm on anything at all

1:35:06

must surely have required the assistance

1:35:09

of few double whiskey the

1:35:11

unhappy or truth is that the mines it

1:35:13

made such things up quite

1:35:15

possibly stone cold sober oh

1:35:19

and wallace excelled at these black propaganda

1:35:21

operations and for several years enjoyed

1:35:23

his work gradually

1:35:25

though he became uneasy at the extent

1:35:28

to which is job seem to be mainly about

1:35:30

smearing and undermining british politicians

1:35:33

rather than combating terrorism in ireland

1:35:36

moreover the army was now making

1:35:38

its own northern ireland policy in a

1:35:40

breathtakingly independent way when

1:35:43

he's government brought in a power sharing

1:35:45

executive in northern ireland with the sunningdale

1:35:47

agreement of december seventy three many

1:35:50

with in the army seem to have seen this

1:35:52

as the beginning of the end

1:35:54

before long wet tory your labour

1:35:56

government would sell out to the ira completely

1:35:59

accordingly when the ulster workers

1:36:01

council decided to launch general

1:36:03

strike to bring down the power sharing

1:36:05

executive not only did it

1:36:07

receives sympathetic backing from the army

1:36:10

there

1:36:10

is even evidence that the strike was planned

1:36:13

in encouraged by m i five and

1:36:15

it's adjutant in army intelligence and

1:36:17

information policy

1:36:19

to mask what was being prepared and

1:36:21

to create an emotional following wind

1:36:23

in britain he was decided

1:36:25

to launch of publicity blitz about an ira

1:36:28

doomsday plot the

1:36:30

plan for the evacuation of one hundred

1:36:32

thousand catholics to the south and a scorched

1:36:34

earth policy in the north the

1:36:37

plan had been drawn up by the ira

1:36:39

as contingency plan against the

1:36:41

possibility of massive protestant

1:36:44

attack on catholic areas of ulster

1:36:46

he would now be presented as if it weren't

1:36:49

offensive strategy in it's own

1:36:51

right when he saw

1:36:53

was being cooked up calm while the subject

1:36:56

the

1:36:56

idea of the plot was several years old

1:36:58

and had already been used back nineteen seventy

1:37:00

two the couldn't he said recycle

1:37:03

such old stuff without losing credibility

1:37:06

that you don't have to he was told will

1:37:09

get to prime minister to do

1:37:11

so they did on thirteen

1:37:13

may nineteen seventy four harold

1:37:15

wilson announced announced revelation

1:37:17

to the house of commons a suitably

1:37:19

purple version of the doomsday plot said

1:37:21

to wilson by the army puppet masters

1:37:24

wealth and even went so far as

1:37:27

to warn the house that there will be

1:37:29

an attempt to misrepresent this information

1:37:32

which is a genuine find by the security

1:37:34

authorities but i can assure the house

1:37:36

that these documents are genuine and

1:37:39

not even put forward the ira themselves

1:37:41

for any purpose except that in

1:37:43

which had in mind to pursue

1:37:47

just twelve days later and strong

1:37:49

army pressure wilson caved in

1:37:51

to the u w see strike and

1:37:54

through the power sharing executive the wolves

1:37:57

such incidents serve to increase wallace's

1:37:59

can learn that the army was moving away

1:38:01

from it's alleged primary role of fighting

1:38:04

terrorism worse he

1:38:06

became uneasy that the increasing

1:38:08

number of assassinations and bomb

1:38:10

outrages against catholics might

1:38:12

be taking place with army encouragement

1:38:14

perhaps even with covert army planning

1:38:18

so in october nineteen seventy four

1:38:20

wallace announced that he didn't wish to work on

1:38:22

clockwork orange anymore that he was resigning

1:38:24

in order go back to fighting terrorism in

1:38:27

quotes

1:38:30

so few weeks after he makes said announcement

1:38:32

that he be moving on only

1:38:34

wallace filed another report and

1:38:38

this is a report about boy's

1:38:40

home the orphanage basically

1:38:42

i'm boy's home in northern ireland

1:38:45

in the city of belfast called

1:38:47

the king cora boys home and

1:38:50

is actually the second time that wallace had wallace

1:38:52

had report about this place

1:38:56

this boy's home was being run by

1:38:58

a loyalist paramilitary leader

1:39:01

widely believed very very

1:39:03

widely believed quite reliably be

1:39:05

an agent of british intelligence guy named

1:39:07

william mcgrath

1:39:10

while i start seeing intelligence linking

1:39:13

many high ranking northern irish

1:39:15

and british officials who

1:39:21

well to to pedophiliac activities

1:39:23

and soon wallace sees that's

1:39:25

the story seem to revolve around

1:39:27

this this place can core a boy's home

1:39:31

it turns out that complaints had been made

1:39:34

about sexual abuse happening can core

1:39:36

before more than once but they are always ignored

1:39:40

after a while is satisfies himself to be as

1:39:42

an idea of what's going on there he brings information

1:39:44

to his superiors and he's ignored

1:39:47

the he tries again

1:39:50

the

1:39:50

second time here they were talking about this

1:39:52

time he told the back off another

1:39:55

officer the army

1:39:58

captain named brian gumbo the

1:40:00

song was happening try to report

1:40:03

that he was told back off this is

1:40:05

from an article in the belfast telegraph

1:40:08

cook in emotional scenes

1:40:10

richard kerr richard former king cora

1:40:12

resident who was sexually abused

1:40:14

at boys home has received an apology

1:40:17

from military intelligence officer who

1:40:19

tried to expose the abuse

1:40:21

brian gambles words represent the first

1:40:23

time mr curry's ever received an apology

1:40:26

from the authorities who failed him

1:40:28

mr gamble was warned off revealing

1:40:30

the pedophile activity at the east belfast

1:40:33

home by in camera the

1:40:35

senior m i five officers who

1:40:37

told him that this was not a matter for

1:40:39

the intelligence services or the army to be concerned

1:40:41

with

1:40:42

now mr gemmell believes it part of a

1:40:44

cover up a sex abuse by top

1:40:46

people he suspects that

1:40:48

the intelligence services use such

1:40:50

dark secrets is a way to control abusers

1:40:53

who are politically influential

1:40:55

as a captain mr gamma put in

1:40:57

an official report about king korea to senior

1:40:59

m i five officer but the his

1:41:02

astonishment he claims he was ordered

1:41:04

to stop digging into forget about it he

1:41:06

now feels that he should have exposed it whatever

1:41:09

the consequences for his army career in

1:41:11

quotes the

1:41:13

cornwallis can't get any can

1:41:15

make any headway with his superiors he decides

1:41:18

that this is important enough to go to the press about

1:41:20

he's got a lot of connections in press he's interacted

1:41:23

with these people for a long time thinks

1:41:25

he might be able to do that but this

1:41:27

a quote from a review

1:41:29

of a of a of book about cone wallace

1:41:31

issue and in koran and ca

1:41:33

quick orange in all this sub book by

1:41:35

journalists named paul foot called who

1:41:38

framed common wallace arms

1:41:40

very good book this book this overview of

1:41:42

it from a review in in in the london review bucks

1:41:44

quote

1:41:45

no newspaper in the uk was willing

1:41:47

follow this obvious lead or

1:41:49

even published story

1:41:51

despite the fact that grass associates

1:41:54

constituted virtual who's who of

1:41:56

protestant ulster what was

1:41:58

going on it to cora was the destitute

1:42:00

boys were being systematically sodomized

1:42:03

in abused by mcgrath and his friends

1:42:05

who included can korea's official director

1:42:07

and assistant director it's

1:42:10

been going on for many years perhaps

1:42:12

from as early as nineteen fifty nine and

1:42:14

repeated attempts by boys who been raped

1:42:17

to get the are you see interested in the

1:42:19

matter had always failed nothing

1:42:22

in fourth book is more heartbreaking

1:42:24

than his recounting of how over twenty

1:42:26

years a series of boys and sometimes

1:42:29

their families and social workers tried

1:42:31

desperately and unavailing me to

1:42:33

put stop to their dreadful pain humiliation

1:42:36

and buggery and how the police

1:42:39

the press and the authorities failed

1:42:41

them over and over again

1:42:44

quite clearly needed the are you see

1:42:46

nor army intelligence where it all

1:42:48

keen for the king course story to be broken

1:42:51

this was so partly because

1:42:53

mcgrath and his friends were extremely well

1:42:55

connected when the protestant establishment

1:42:58

but the truth may been worst and intelligence

1:43:01

services around the world often find

1:43:03

it useful to maintain luxury brothels

1:43:06

just for what they learned from pillow talk

1:43:08

but his multipurpose centers of

1:43:10

reward black male and ask

1:43:12

nation he was

1:43:14

nothing luxurious about can cora but

1:43:16

it's rarity in the northern irish

1:43:19

context as to as an unlimited

1:43:21

source of boys who could be buggered without

1:43:23

mercy or publicity seems

1:43:25

likely to have made his and especially useful

1:43:27

intelligence asset

1:43:29

swimming is insistent attempts to open

1:43:31

up the king core a story cohen wallace

1:43:34

was rocking the boat just as much as he was

1:43:36

by refusing have anything to do with clockwork

1:43:38

orange quote what

1:43:41

a boy scout cohen wallace

1:43:43

the naive boy scout

1:43:45

i found out what kind people he was messing

1:43:48

with very soon in this this

1:43:50

that seem review quo there

1:43:52

can be no other explanation for what

1:43:54

then happened to wallace he

1:43:56

was suddenly smeared in number of press

1:43:58

articles trans the bird abruptly

1:44:01

out northern ireland in soon as he got to

1:44:03

england dismissed from the army on trumped

1:44:05

up charges of having wrongly retain

1:44:07

secret documents given them to the press

1:44:09

what is truly remarkable is the speed

1:44:11

and thoroughness with which wallace was

1:44:13

dealt with

1:44:15

one moment he was in in dispute indispensable

1:44:17

man the next he was sacked

1:44:19

disgraced persecuted and made

1:44:22

into a non person the ministry

1:44:24

of defence has for ever since

1:44:26

denied that wallace had been intelligence at

1:44:28

all thereafter

1:44:30

steps were taken to prevent him from getting

1:44:32

other employment and he was endlessly

1:44:34

miserably harassed the

1:44:37

author foot is scrupulous at every

1:44:39

stage in trying to see whether

1:44:41

a case against wallace might not

1:44:43

be made stand up

1:44:45

and he makes it clear the he and wallace do not

1:44:47

see eye to eye about politics ireland

1:44:49

the army were just about anything else

1:44:52

but no fair minded person can read