4:00

who collected Napoleon's penis. Yes, it was.

4:03

Yes, urologists, something weird about them. Wow,

4:05

that's interesting. Anyway, yeah. Could you,

4:07

in theory, with the Beethoven hair that we

4:09

have, could you stretch them and make a

4:12

sort of very tiny piano using the hair

4:14

as... I don't think

4:16

so, I think they'd snap. But a tiny

4:18

piano. Yeah, come on, James. No

4:20

one's gonna hold you to this, if you say it's

4:22

possible. I just think if I say it, that that

4:25

is on our next target, I go, where's my fucking

4:27

piano? Um, yeah,

4:29

OK, sure. OK. You've

4:32

just made him happy. There we go. Can

4:34

we talk about... I'm kind of enjoying the whole

4:37

piano talk. Oh, sorry. No,

4:39

no, go on, what were you gonna say? Him going

4:41

deaf. Oh, yeah. Going deaf by the age of

4:43

30, he could not hear conversation. And

4:45

that was at a period where he was composing most

4:48

of his most amazing music. And this is

4:50

just... It's so interesting, because one of the

4:52

things he did was... We know

4:54

how he communicated because he had conversation books.

4:57

This is so interesting that they survive. So

4:59

what's that? Well, if you're

5:01

Beethoven, you carry a notebook. OK. And if someone

5:03

wants to ask you a question, they write it

5:05

down in your notebook, and then you answer it.

5:08

So we have a list of questions that Beethoven

5:10

was asked, and we don't have any of his

5:12

answers. It's exactly the wrong

5:14

way round. No, no, no. And

5:17

sometimes we have his shopping lists as well. That

5:19

is less revealing about the mind of a genius.

5:21

And then the thing was, he had a secretary

5:23

called Anton Schindler, who became kind of the keeper

5:25

of his flame. And he was his first biographer,

5:28

and he was very, very much... He sort of

5:30

wanted to keep this to himself. So he would

5:32

answer the door wearing Beethoven's old dressing gown. Pretty

5:35

creepy. Wow. But

5:37

what we also found was he had a lot of

5:39

these conversation books. And if he found a blank page

5:41

in one of them, he would just forge an entry

5:44

himself. Oh, really? Quite

5:46

frustrating for biographers, because they've only just done

5:49

handwriting analysis and worked out. Oh, yeah, some

5:51

of this is lies that were never asked

5:53

by anyone. But I guess, yeah, he is

5:55

only forging the questions. Yes, unless he's writing

5:57

an interesting shopping list. in

14:01

1959, which starred Charles Wilcox. So is

14:03

this, this is just going to be us all listing people with

14:05

rude names, is it? Well, I actually looked to

14:07

the Wikipedia list that's called... OK, great. Other people

14:09

who are called Willie. And... Oh, my God. Yeah,

14:12

there's over 218 notable Willys out there. You've

14:16

got the professional golfer in America called

14:18

Willie Tucker. Lovely.

14:21

There's... And does that

14:23

help in golf? James, you play golf. It can get in

14:25

the way of your swings. There's

14:28

the Austrian footballer called Willie

14:30

Fitz. There's

14:33

the Kenyan runner called Willie Cumming. Brilliant.

14:37

Superb. Very nice. That's all

14:39

my research for the time. The

14:41

history of illustration. Now... Yeah,

14:43

I've got some quite dry stuff on the difference

14:46

between a wood block and a wood cutting. That's

14:48

what we want. But no,

14:50

this one... So, William Hall was at the

14:52

tail end of a period where basically illustration

14:54

was the only means of getting any visual

14:56

information to anyone else, as in... There

14:58

was no YouTube. No TikTok. There

15:00

was no TikTok. That was in

15:03

the 1870s after his period. And

15:06

basically, it was hugely important and hugely legally

15:08

contentious as well. Oh, really? So, yeah, I

15:10

was reading about James Gilray, who was the

15:13

sort of the most famous artist of the

15:15

early 19th century, who did caricatures. But they

15:17

were so offensive and insulting that

15:19

he was charged with blasphemy. Wow.

15:23

He drew the wise men, and he was charged with blasphemy.

15:25

Actually, the real reason was that the Prince of Wales was

15:27

clearly in the picture being... As

15:30

one of the wise men or just popping up behind, like

15:32

he's photobombed. There was a disgusting baby in there

15:34

and there was all sorts of... Jesus! Sorry,

15:38

in the drawing. So, I'm

15:40

not being arrested for blasphemy. Sorry. In

15:44

the satirical drawing. I'm

15:46

not afraid of blasphemy charges, am I? But

15:50

basically, and he was interviewed by George Canning,

15:52

who was later the Prime Minister, saying, look,

15:54

I want a caricature of me. And

15:56

so, the charge against him, the blasphemy

15:59

charge, was... and he was given a government

16:01

pension. Gilray is the man who

16:03

was responsible for everyone thinking that Napoleon

16:05

was short. Oh, really? Oh,

16:07

really? He was short. Napoleon was normal

16:09

height. It's entirely thanks to someone drawing him 200 years

16:11

ago that we think

16:13

Napoleon Bonaparte was short. That's so interesting. So

16:15

that's the power these images had, just repeated

16:18

and amplified and caricatured. What an influence. So

16:20

Willie Hall, he did characters of quite famous people,

16:22

right? Like he did, I think, Jay and Barry

16:25

and a few people like that. I think he

16:27

mostly did the work, as in he mostly would.

16:29

Jay and Barry's books, he would illustrate those. So

16:31

not the author's illustration. He illustrated

16:34

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde for Robert

16:36

Louis Stevenson and kidnapped. I

16:38

read that Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

16:40

was written in six days and six

16:42

nights while Louis Stevenson was on a

16:44

cocaine bender. Oh,

16:47

yeah. And according

16:49

to robertluestebenson.com, that's a

16:51

myth. No, well, they

16:53

would say that wouldn't they? It feels like

16:55

it. They said that he was on medication,

16:59

but there's no evidence that he took a cane

17:01

for recreational purposes. Willie Hall's

17:04

grandmother or great-grandmother was

17:06

Jamaican. Okay. It's

17:08

very, just unusual to have a mixed

17:10

race couple in the 1790s, but his

17:12

Scottish father married a Jamaican woman in

17:14

the 1790s. And

17:17

the resulting child went on to be

17:19

the first student of African descent at

17:21

the University of Edinburgh and

17:23

then governor of Sierra Leone. And

17:25

that's Willie Hall, that's my Willie

17:27

Hall fact. It's good. It's not

17:29

a funny name. But we're all

17:31

learning. But we're all learning something.

17:34

Can I tell you maybe

17:36

my favourite artist of the

17:38

period? So George Cruickshank, right?

17:40

Again, hugely influential caricaturist, satirist,

17:43

drew outrageous things. He once got a bribe

17:45

of 100 quid from the king

17:47

himself saying, please do

17:49

not caricature his majesty in

17:51

any immoral situation. So that's

17:53

how powerful he was at the time. Imagine

17:56

if the current king paid, I don't know,

17:58

Michael McIntyre not to do any jokes. Dandy's

22:00

before, of course, the Dandy

22:03

is a Scottish illustration of sorts. What a

22:05

great link. Thank you. Just leapfrogging from the

22:07

1760s to the 20th century comic book. That

22:11

was very impressive. Made by DC Thompson. And

22:14

DC Thompson is also home to the world's

22:16

oldest magazine, the Scots magazine. And

22:19

in one of their early issues, they had a

22:21

first hand account of the Battle of Culloden. That's

22:26

how old that is. Wait, sorry,

22:28

that wasn't the first issue of the Dandy. No,

22:30

sorry. Sorry. That was

22:32

in DC Thompson. Because

22:34

it's Desperate Down had been onside. It could have gone

22:36

the other way. Yeah. What was,

22:38

can I, sorry to be ignorant, but what was

22:40

the Battle of Colloger? That

22:43

is... Why don't you just ask

22:45

someone in the street later on? OK. Well,

22:48

I don't know what's known here. You don't know

22:50

who Willie Hole is, but you know that battle?

22:52

What's going on? I'll tell you, I will tell

22:54

you later and I will tell you at some

22:57

length, but it's really interesting. OK. Yeah. But on

22:59

the subject of comics and DC Thompson stuff, I

23:01

thought we could have a quick game of comic

23:03

strip or darts nickname. Oh, OK. Because

23:06

I realised that some of these comic strips have

23:08

kind of got similar names to the darts players.

23:10

Oh, like Calamity James. Is a darts

23:12

player? No. Is

23:15

it the beanie? So, for instance, Bow

23:17

and Arrow, B-E-A-U and Arrow, is

23:20

that the name of a comic or is it the

23:22

name of a darts player's nickname? It must be darts

23:24

player because what is a darts, but a tiny arrow.

23:26

Well, it's got to be a comic book, otherwise he

23:28

wouldn't have presented it and tried to trick us into

23:30

thinking it was a darts player. Do you get tag

23:33

teams in darts? Is it like... You

23:35

can have doubles, but it's... Oh, it's an arrow.

23:37

You chuck it halfway along the distance and they

23:40

lean over and hammer it home. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:42

No, you lift your arm up and Bow

23:45

pulls it back and

23:47

releases you. The

23:50

answer is it was a double bluff

23:52

and a bow graves who's the current

23:54

back-to-back two-time ladies world champion. Okay. It's

23:57

a darts player. Dirty Dick.

30:00

wrote books about the imps that were following him

30:02

around. His surname,

30:04

Time, was chosen because he thought

30:06

that the time the herb repelled

30:08

the imps and he

30:10

planned to plant an enormous time field

30:12

so that it would repel all of

30:15

the imps. So

30:17

that was one of them. I

30:20

did read about him because he read that the

30:22

imps and the leprechauns that followed him around made

30:24

him sneeze and fart enormously. And that was a

30:26

huge problem. No, it's not me, it was the

30:29

imps. He wants to buy himself a dog. There

30:31

was a guy called Raymond Russell who wrote

30:34

these really long poems. But instead of rhyming,

30:36

each line was kind of related to the

30:38

previous one by the words. So you might

30:40

have a line which is about a dog

30:43

and the next one's about a bog and

30:45

the next one's about a bot and like

30:47

that. But they're really, really, really long. It

30:49

would have footnotes explaining what he'd

30:52

done to make that line that

30:54

was related to the previous line. And

30:56

his footnotes could have footnotes and

30:58

that could go like five footnotes deep for

31:01

all of it. So it was all footnotes. The

31:03

David Foster Wallace of his time and equally tedious.

31:05

But according to the French Wikipedia,

31:07

perhaps not surprisingly, Russell was unpopular

31:10

during his life and critical reception

31:12

of his works was almost unanimously

31:14

negative. Oh man. Yeah.

31:16

But there was loads of them around. I think it

31:18

was just like pretty much anyone could get stuff printed.

31:21

Yeah. That was great. But I feel like a lot

31:23

of them were self-conscious. They were often

31:25

rich white men. Yeah. Yeah. And they knew

31:27

what they were doing. Whereas this guy didn't.

31:29

I found something quite random about Brisset, which

31:32

is that he was in the army. And

31:34

I think something quite odd

31:36

about him, and this is often surprising

31:38

today about people who hold very strange

31:40

beliefs. Dan, you know a lot of

31:42

these people. They function very normally in

31:45

the rest of their life. And

31:47

so he, as we've said, he worked

31:49

on the railways. They did try to sack him a

31:51

few times from the railways because he did have some

31:54

quite strange ideas that they attributed to a head wound

31:56

from being in the army. What did he have for

31:58

all the ideas? of the

32:00

stuff we've just talked about, about how all humans are descended

32:02

from frogs, that kind of thing. Oh, not trains specifically. Yeah,

32:05

it made it sound like he was saying the trains should

32:07

all run backwards. No, sorry. He made the trains run fine.

32:09

He just kept on whang-ing on about this whole humans from

32:11

frogs idea. Yeah. But he was wounded in

32:13

1859 at the Battle of Magenta, which

32:17

was a battle of France and Italy versus

32:19

Austria. It was a huge success

32:21

and victory for the French. And I just

32:23

didn't know that that's where the colour comes

32:25

from. From the battle? Yeah. Really? Yeah. So

32:27

it was this big success, the Battle of

32:29

Magenta, for the French. And at the same

32:31

time, a French chemist produced the colour that

32:34

they called Fushina. And then they were

32:36

like, hang on, we've just had this big victory. Do you

32:38

mind if we rename that Magenta? What colour is Magenta again?

32:41

What colour? The one in the printer that always runs out,

32:43

even though you never use it. Thank

32:45

you. Hello, old friend. OK.

32:49

Language. How we got language in the first place?

32:51

Oh, yeah. The theory, the theory, because the 19th

32:53

century was a time when lots of people were

32:55

trying to work out. How did we get language?

32:57

And the theories were fantastic. Yeah, it was because

32:59

we just had the theory of evolution had come

33:01

in with Darwin and people thought, well, surely language

33:04

must have evolved in the same way. So can

33:06

we fill in some of the gaps? Yeah, exactly.

33:08

So the Bao Wo theory. Language.

33:10

We came from dogs. We came from

33:12

dogs? No, it's the language comes from animal

33:14

sounds and the humans started language off by

33:16

doing impressions of animals. Really? To communicate with

33:19

each other. So, for example, James,

33:21

I've gotten, if we don't have language, I've got no way of

33:23

saying there's a dog behind you. Unless I

33:25

say woof. Right? Sure. But

33:27

how do you say it to someone in another

33:29

country that doesn't know the word woof? Like, because

33:31

in English we say woof, but dogs don't objectively

33:33

say woof. And they don't say Bao Wo. And

33:35

in all different countries, they say different things. Yeah,

33:37

but I'd go, oh, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.

33:39

You would know there was a dog behind you.

33:42

We're in the same room. This is 30,000 years

33:44

ago. We're Neanderthals. We're

33:47

Neanderthals. Yeah. And the guy who came up with

33:49

this was a guy called, I love this, Johann

33:51

Herder. Oh, yeah. OK. What

33:53

do dogs do? Has he worked out what he

33:55

thinks the words have evolved into? Like, what does

33:57

that, wow, wow, wow. What does that become? I

34:00

don't know enough of what this is late 18th

34:02

century. So I haven't read enough of his stuff

34:04

I think it was that you start off with

34:06

rah rah rah, and then eventually you get to

34:08

wolf You

34:12

know a few more steps I'm not gonna spell out

34:14

and then we've got this podcast Do

34:18

you know what dogs say in Burma just while we're

34:20

on this subject? They

34:22

say woke woke woke woke like

34:25

a GB news presenter Because

34:27

they're pissed off everyone's calling it Myanmar, aren't

34:30

they? Listen

34:32

Andy, that's the best Burma Myanmar joke you'll hear

34:34

on this day for weeks How

34:37

much we believe in because I believe this theory

34:39

a hundred percent right now This sounds like the

34:41

most sensible thing I've ever heard on this podcast

34:43

It's the first thing that kids do like you're

34:45

speaking to your kid you teach them the noises

34:47

that animals make of course language Came from there.

34:49

But what about the yo-he-ho theory?

34:54

We all evolved from pirates Basically,

34:58

yeah, it's this is Edward Burnett Tyler in

35:00

1871 Propose that language

35:02

evolved when you're doing manual labor together.

35:05

You might be rowing you might be hauling logs

35:07

and you have to say row

35:10

Row or yo-he-ho or whatever and that gradually

35:12

evolves into more complicated structures But it's

35:14

basically you need some kind of shared sound

35:17

right that we all make when we're pulling

35:19

a log I like that. There's also the

35:21

poo-poo theory The

35:24

poo-poo theory is that it

35:26

comes from automatic responses from

35:28

Disgust or happiness or something.

35:30

So you see something you go poo You

35:33

just make that automatically. It's not a word and

35:35

then eventually words evolve from that. I

35:37

think it's the worth-worth thing There's

35:41

a very famous philosopher and linguist

35:43

called Ferdinand de Saussure Who

35:45

you've all heard of as had I before

35:47

I started researching for this, of course But

35:50

he is he is he's one of the

35:52

founders of linguistics apparently anyway, so he's very

35:55

well respected He died in 1913

35:57

sometime after he died eight cardboard boxes

36:00

were found that belonged to him that

36:02

showed he was obsessed with the idea

36:04

that all of classical literature had hidden

36:06

anagrams within it and people still talk

36:08

about this people still kind of write

36:11

papers about what this means

36:13

and whether it's justifiable but he just

36:16

got obsessed with like the idea there

36:18

are all these weird anagrams and phony

36:20

matching and patterns in classical literature. It's

36:22

really interesting. So weird about finding the

36:24

patterns. It's the same with Brisey I

36:26

guess because he said okay we've all

36:28

evolved from frogs and

36:31

these frogs saying qua and

36:33

then that goes into what in French but

36:35

he kind of assumes that French

36:37

is the original language right? Yeah that's the big

36:40

problem with this theory. Well he said it a

36:42

bit but what's the nickname for the French? Frogs.

36:47

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36:49

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36:51

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We need to move on to our final fact

37:46

of the show. All right it is time for

37:48

our final fact of the show and that is

37:50

Anna. My fact this week

37:52

is that in 1968 a

37:55

pig was nominated as a US presidential

37:57

candidate but was arrested in the middle

37:59

of his acceptance speech When

38:03

we are saying his acceptance speech They're

38:06

very eloquent pigs if you would just listen This

38:09

yeah, don't say oh, yeah

38:13

Honestly, I was thinking of the pig from

38:15

babe and I was like He

38:18

was eloquent. It wasn't that pig. It was

38:20

a different pig. This is a

38:22

big called Pegasus and he was a a

38:25

presidential candidate of the Yippies which

38:28

were a political party slash Incoate

38:31

group of late 1960s sort

38:33

of activist dissenters who sort

38:36

of didn't like the war in Vietnam as

38:38

no one did and They made

38:40

a big fuss about it and one of the

38:42

big fusses they made was this was two days

38:44

before the big Democratic conference National Convention and

38:47

they showed up they called a press conference

38:49

and they rocked up with this pig candidate

38:51

and one of their leaders Jerry Rubin started

38:53

to do the acceptance speech on the pigs

38:55

behalf because the pig was very shy and

39:00

Interrupted halfway through by the police who

39:02

genuinely arrested all the candidates including the

39:04

pig and took them away I

39:06

read a rumor that he was subsequently eaten by

39:09

one of the police officers. Yeah, I heard that

39:11

as well I don't think

39:13

it is and the reason I

39:15

don't think it is is that It's

39:18

quite difficult to just go from a live

39:20

pig in your possession to it being on your

39:22

dining room table You're gonna have kit. Have

39:24

a new you can have the gear actually

39:26

I read a different rumor that he was married

39:28

off and taken to a farm to live

39:30

with mrs. Pegasus Which is a

39:32

nice one. Yeah, and I think that's that's

39:35

plausible as well probably somewhere in between is

39:37

the truth Probably rehoused

39:39

and then eventually eaten. Yeah Well,

39:43

I read a further rumor that

39:45

months like five months after this

39:47

incident The yippies

39:49

held an honorary what they called

39:53

Inhoguration for Pegasus. Lovely. Yeah, it's

39:55

all great stuff. It's good stuff.

39:57

I think they were Fun

40:00

protesters had quite a lot of fun in

40:02

the 60s as well as being very angry

40:04

Well, this is flower power if you want

40:06

to put a name that's connected to it,

40:08

Abby Hoffman Jerry Rubin They were all part

40:10

of this big moment of saying anti-war and

40:12

peace is needed But they were pranksters and

40:15

they were also pulling stunts like this to

40:17

yeah to sort of get themselves in enough

40:19

trouble that it Made a statement but nothing,

40:21

you know bringing a pig to a nomination

40:23

is not really it wasn't even in the

40:25

building you know, it was sort of easy

40:28

go they were nicknamed the Groucho Marxists, but

40:30

they The yippies

40:32

as they got called this was it stood

40:35

for the youth international party but

40:37

actually they were named because one

40:39

of their founders a guy called Krasna was going through

40:41

the alphabet for words that rhymed with hippie and Eventually

40:44

got to like almost the last gasp we got

40:47

to yippee I thought we could make that stand

40:49

for youth international party if we you know mangled

40:51

it a bit Yeah So they didn't get the

40:53

name first and then come up with the acronym

40:55

They came up the acronym first and then back

40:57

for a bit Yeah And they did take it

40:59

seriously as well as being pranksters like the whole

41:01

pig thing there was a big argument about it

41:03

so I guess the three main people were Abby

41:06

and Anita Hoffman who were a couple and Jerry

41:08

Rubin and Abby

41:10

and Anita Hoffman bought the first

41:12

pig for this big press conference

41:14

and Presented it to Jerry Rubin

41:16

who rejected the pig out of hand was furious.

41:18

So this is too small. It's too attractive We

41:20

need a big pig. We need an ugly pig

41:23

and he had to I'm

41:25

not the picture here. He's not that I've seen

41:27

bigger pigs. I Agree

41:31

it's an attractive pig to my eyes, but

41:34

it was supposed to represent sort of political power of the day That's

41:39

the satire there the other thing they did

41:41

very famously was walk to the Pentagon and

41:44

try and levitate it Yeah,

41:46

that's right. It's really interesting When

41:49

you speak to people who were on this March and

41:51

there was a lot of them Most

41:53

of them say yeah, we were just going for

41:55

a long for the fun And you know, we weren't

41:57

really gonna levitate it and then some of them Admittedly,

42:00

who were kind of off their tits on LSD, they

42:03

actually thought they were gonna levitate it. I genuinely

42:05

think some of them thought they were. Yeah, they

42:07

thought they were gonna send psychic energy towards it

42:09

until the building itself turned orange with the energy

42:11

and vibration, and then it would slowly levitate, and

42:14

they were gonna do it by psychic energy to

42:16

better chance. And as you say, they knew it

42:18

was a joke, but then there were people that

42:20

thought, well, if enough of us did it, maybe

42:22

this would actually work. And it

42:24

was, you know, I mean, the names that keep

42:26

cropping up, if you know your counterculture America well,

42:28

this is- Wait, what happened? Oh, yeah,

42:31

so it lifted up, it's really orange. It's still

42:33

there. It's still in the air now. It's a

42:35

nightmare, you gotta get in by ladder, it's insane.

42:38

Nothing happened, Andy. It didn't work,

42:40

sorry. Well, Alan Ginsberg, who's

42:42

one of these counterculture guys, he

42:45

said, the Pentagon was symbolically

42:48

levitated in people's minds. Yeah,

42:51

that's such a crap excuse. That's like my

42:53

facts on this show. It is true if

42:55

you just believe hard enough. Hoffman,

42:59

by the way, I'm saying that he was sort

43:01

of part of a peaceful movement and so on,

43:03

but, you know, he did write a very

43:05

infamous book, which was called Steal This Book, kind

43:08

of like the Annicus cookbook. It had a lot

43:10

of stuff in there that you don't want people

43:12

reading, you know, there was bomb making, that kind

43:14

of stuff in order to- But it was

43:16

largely a book about how can you help with

43:19

the troubles that are going on? How can you

43:21

make a point, but have little hacks to get

43:23

through it? So for example, if you need

43:25

to talk to a large crowd, don't spend ages

43:27

like doing what we have like here, you know,

43:30

like- Booking a theater. Booking a theater, all that

43:32

stuff. There's a lot of money, you know, go to

43:34

a show where there's a theater

43:36

booked and before the show starts, jump on

43:38

stage. They've got a PA system, just use

43:40

what they're using and go and don't do

43:42

it here, obviously Glasgow, but

43:44

that's what his suggestion was and always do

43:46

it prior to a show because you don't

43:48

want to preach to people who can get angry

43:50

at you for interrupting a show. That's fine, that's

43:53

not too dangerous. The bomb making stuff is bad,

43:55

but I think interrupting someone's show. Yeah, do it.

43:58

Well, I'm okay with that. No, arguably the most dangerous- about

44:00

the book was it's called Steal This Book, encouraging everyone to not

44:02

pay for it in the shops that they were, and that's what

44:04

they were. Well did it happen? Yeah, it did get stolen. It

44:06

did get stolen, yeah. He should have called it Buy This Book,

44:09

or Buy 10 Copies of This Book. Yes. I

44:12

think that might have defeated his object, while, yes,

44:14

making him some more money, James. I

44:17

think he did call his autobiography something like Coming

44:19

to a Theatre Near You, or something like that,

44:21

soon to be adapted into cinema. Yeah,

44:24

so he did have titles like that. I think

44:26

on the last page of the book, it has

44:28

a list of other books worth stealing. Nice.

44:30

Oh, that's nice. Oh, I thought you were about to list

44:33

all of our books, so it was a bit of slide

44:35

publicity, but no, okay. They

44:37

invaded Disneyland in 1970. They

44:39

managed a huge victory there. That

44:42

night, Disneyland had to close slightly early.

44:45

Wow. Take that, the man. But

44:49

it supposedly, Andy, was only the second time in

44:51

Disney's history where they had to shut and get

44:53

everyone out in order to deal with the situation.

44:55

So for Disney, it was a big deal, because

44:57

they were gonna liberate Minnie Mouse. They

45:00

were staying on Tom Sawyer's Island. They

45:02

wanted to liberate Minnie Mouse and cook

45:04

Porky Pig. Again, another very pig-based, they

45:06

clearly turned to violence by this point.

45:08

It's just two years after they were

45:10

being nice to pigs. But

45:13

you're missing the main thing about that. Porky

45:15

Pig's not a Disney character, so it's not

45:17

even there. So they got there, and there

45:19

was no Porky Pig. You gotta know your

45:21

genre. Yeah. Your brand. Hoffman played by Sacha

45:23

Baron-Kern quite recently. If anyone's ever seen the

45:25

film, The Trial of Chicago 7. And

45:28

very confusing. So The Trial of Chicago 7

45:30

was basically, there was a

45:32

huge riot, and they were all put on trial, these guys. And

45:36

Hoffman and Rubin went into court wearing

45:38

judicial robes, basically disguised as the judge.

45:40

This was even more confusing, given that

45:42

the judge was also called Hoffman. And

45:46

then so confusingly, Rubin, the other

45:48

one, went on to meet a

45:51

nemesis. He moved to Miami,

45:53

and he decided to lead

45:55

this thing to occupy a golf course, for

45:57

one to achieve one of his aims And

46:00

he met his nemesis who was also called Reuben. So

46:03

it was Reuben versus Reuben, faced off against

46:05

each other in this church in Miami. And

46:07

then he turned into a stockbroker. And

46:11

they went on tours with Yuppie versus

46:14

Yippie, didn't they? They did. This

46:16

is after Jerry Reuben became this big shot stockbroker

46:18

and kept saying, but it's good, it's all part

46:20

of the be good plan. What's a

46:22

Yuppie again? What's that defined as? Yuppie,

46:24

a mobile professional person. Yeah. Just like

46:27

from the 80s with a big mobile

46:29

phone. Yeah. Okay, right. So

46:31

they, Anita and Abby Hoffman had a

46:33

child that they called America. America with

46:36

a small a because they didn't want

46:38

him to be pretentious. Well,

46:42

actually, he does seem okay, actually. That'll come

46:44

across really well over the phone, won't it?

46:47

No, no, no. Small a. He

46:50

later changed his name to Alan. Still

46:54

with a small a? No, he's now

46:56

half Alan and half America because

46:58

he's changed his name back to America, but he's kept

47:00

the capital A from Alan. Right. General

47:05

political protests? Yeah, sure. Now's not the

47:07

time, Andy. I've

47:09

gathered us all here for a reason. No,

47:12

I was just reading about other protests of

47:14

various kinds. So pig based protests, actually, specifically,

47:16

I started looking into. Okay. There

47:19

was one in Taiwan a few years ago. The big debate,

47:21

do we let in American pork, which has been

47:23

treated with this particular chemical, it's banned in lots

47:25

of countries. Anyway, this was the report from, I

47:27

think, the New York Times. Members

47:30

of the Kuomintang on Friday threw

47:32

pig hearts, intestines, lungs and other

47:34

innards in parliament. Just

47:37

parliament became a like, what's it called? Mardi

47:40

Gras, the tomato thing? Oh, Tamatina. Yeah, it

47:42

was like that, but with pig hearts. And

47:45

they threw other innards leaving the chain

47:47

as crimson carpet street with ropey strands

47:49

of intestine and milky viscera. Some

47:53

lawmakers don rain jackets, others brawled in business suits soiled by

47:55

what appeared to be bits of pig fat.