1:00

the of about are you are too much know try

1:02

to ban on jordan or doubled who

1:05

would sit around with the alters leave

1:07

a dog a little bit about alex june's

1:10

need we are day and jordan

1:12

it

1:13

gordon quick question for

1:15

you know what that was if if

1:17

but ah my brain was a sweet

1:20

cantina theme remix of our

1:22

theme song to hi i have your a

1:24

day and rt so red cross

1:26

in the with he says this

1:28

is the periodic remixes on

1:31

those everly the theme song of our trip

1:33

to austin and being able to have

1:35

incorporated into the buy

1:38

gifts for a special maybe one off who

1:40

knows i think a tidal wave maybe one

1:42

lucky were to lucky definitely

1:44

lucky boy out talented

1:47

voice you are we're willing

1:49

to a create things so he appreciated

1:51

thank you dad are getting think what about how much

1:53

energy

1:54

the i would say my brain

1:56

spots oh well it might

1:58

as well be that we were on

1:59

the televisual box that national

2:02

television debut yeah yeah

2:04

we went out we talked to we talk

2:07

to the beam and skelter a

2:09

, you know we were in the same studio

2:11

so we didn't smell and through the camera

2:13

buys over and even a big you know we

2:15

is so confirmed sulfur or

2:18

not yeah i am we we also

2:20

womb you know we were in a studio

2:22

we were staring at like a black wall

2:24

we didn't see him even as middle

2:26

during it's which with a little unnerving

2:29

is disconcerting yeah and recently when

2:31

i back and saw his face and said

2:33

he bade very stuff of i would expect a

2:35

different they didn't use it was was

2:40

it market prices has us the

2:43

dog and i me we were on a was

2:45

stelter i'm sorry there's

2:47

a couple things i want to point out first

2:49

season one of the big that we got was

2:51

whether or not we got to ask him about his hatred

2:54

of or alexander does him the

2:56

and we didn't on air although

2:58

he did say we could ask him that

3:01

he wasn't time added

3:03

that he made aware that he was a very

3:06

, aware that alex eight oh

3:09

yeah so that par we can confirm

3:11

then confirm and thing i wanted to bring up these are the that

3:13

interview is

3:16

it it we are ours

3:19

our parents have different responses

3:21

yeah

3:23

what is your burgers but i got a text

3:25

through my that was about how proud

3:27

a he was and how i was the first to a

3:30

family member to make it on the national news

3:32

wow that is i

3:35

don't know if that's actually true cause i cause i imagine

3:37

there had to have been some kind of a coverage

3:40

my brothers ice cream shop the day

3:42

you know like i would assume but i know that

3:44

there was a ton of sort of local and regional

3:47

stuff but i don't know there was ever like

3:49

a national spotlight but i rise was

3:52

from no stelter baby

3:54

you know narrowed everly not yeah

3:57

yeah i do i day of

3:59

day of well my my cousin

4:02

the ruins who consumed

4:04

a lot of a right wing news was the first

4:06

person to text me and

4:09

then how dare you go on the clinton

4:11

news network know he was like you did

4:13

a great job like it was little is

4:15

really nice of and i yeah

4:17

my dad was the you know easier to

4:19

embrace you today so couldn't get to see

4:22

the you know and then i sent him

4:24

a picture in a were congratulations

4:27

so the normans the conversation

4:29

with conversation was from

4:31

there and i was overlooked nobody even

4:34

has a story is a system but

4:36

yeah it is , been

4:38

a avalanche of a previous

4:41

it's no take

4:44

rough with smooth as i say i

4:46

would get it's been

4:48

it's been a interesting a couple

4:50

of weeks of the trial and stuff and at

4:53

this adding this the reality of

4:55

that is the as the almost

4:58

hard to process i

5:00

don't know how i feel about having make

5:02

up put on me reminder think

5:04

you're right bags i

5:07

yeah it's a was all is all

5:09

a lot but appreciate them having

5:11

us on the and i

5:13

appreciate that they allowed us to not

5:16

play into like some of the

5:19

you know like a what you do or

5:22

you know to talk talk about alex's

5:24

out x y or z thing and we have

5:27

to speak on the issue

5:29

as we i wanna do and

5:31

i present that that's something that

5:33

you know

5:34

maybe some people wouldn't think the

5:37

media outlet would offer offer

5:39

think we're both actually very lucky that we're not

5:41

in like i was like this is were

5:44

behind the music moment where it all starts

5:46

to fall apart and no one hundred

5:48

percent in agreement like math fuck

5:50

this we're going to say exactly what need

5:52

say i get out here m

5:54

m to you know i think it's a little bit

5:56

of feedback that it was a little bit of a shallow

5:59

interview into that i say no fair

6:01

enough i mean it was six minutes you know that

6:03

having than a little hit like that is

6:05

is not something that you can really dive too

6:07

deep in and he gotta answer your

6:10

question and get done and and move

6:12

along and and so unfortunately

6:14

it doesn't a note may not satisfy people who wants

6:17

a deconstruction of some

6:19

of the stuff but that's i guess what the podcast is for

6:23

it was it a treat and are

6:25

speaking of treats jordan was a

6:27

we hit four episode today we

6:29

are thrilled to be joined

6:32

once again by mark bankston and

6:34

bill ogden the believe what he had

6:36

to do this i , i should

6:38

go march third the in our tab

6:40

or service so first first for

6:43

western montana years and everybody

6:46

on the on this but some

6:48

you know was really oh

6:51

i feel like it's kind of condescending to say

6:53

an honor both it was too

6:55

you know it's very meaningful and and something

6:57

else i'll be always be very

7:01

brill to have been able to be whatever small

7:03

part of this that it wasn't

7:06

i i appreciate them so much for allowing

7:08

us to have a little bit of

7:10

an inside track on some stuff and their

7:12

generosity with the listeners an anti

7:15

and arses is just so wonderful

7:18

and unbelievable i'm glad that we're

7:20

to have this sort of button

7:22

a little bit although maybe it's a button that

7:24

last all of sneak lady well

7:26

it's fleet week decide to move you know

7:28

wrapping up some of this this sort of

7:31

thereafter is very nice and being

7:33

able to ah have have a conversation

7:35

with them to do that i think everyone

7:38

now will will enjoy i think

7:40

it's great

7:42

the reader belabor this longer interested chat

7:44

about nothing but i'll be honest it's

7:47

late i this episode edited and

7:49

hi don't

7:52

know ocho bell delivered a

7:56

significant the city food or

7:59

it out pills anybody know never

8:01

assists ira i like bad food

8:03

don't care anyway source and will

8:06

be back as soon the all of

8:09

who knows we might be sneaky as hell this week

8:11

it's legally

8:15

i do a do the interview

8:17

the

8:18

the ladies and gentlemen we

8:21

are back and here

8:23

in in in chicago as

8:25

the is is is the norm and

8:28

we have a special a bit of a

8:30

chance a decompression session

8:32

the compressor stay sober if

8:34

you if you like it rhymes with good

8:37

of so as a listeners

8:39

oh no we were in austin recently

8:41

for the trial through the alex

8:43

jones sandy hook trial and

8:45

we met a couple of fun people as apple

8:47

a cool cat just just to to

8:50

we would they wandering the streets they

8:52

were wearing nice city we were like i can't believe

8:54

that these these two people are not

8:57

being taken care of by you know our staff

8:59

right now and i can't believe there's

9:01

no podcasts just asking them

9:03

to come in share wisdom

9:06

and and alexander a security

9:08

detail ten strong will do

9:10

zero zero zero in

9:12

on or or yeah

9:14

better disguised that is true

9:16

glasses out the securities

9:18

wandered around like bulletproof vests and say monsieur

9:21

fries primary ritual half

9:23

of the journal is there were actually running security

9:25

was you see the ficus in the court room know

9:28

i did wonders how good it is

9:30

obsolescence we figured of

9:32

this week this a sneak week

9:34

sneak week on rarely call to court decided

9:37

that this is make week and it's for the the

9:39

sea snakes as where we sneak i'm

9:41

and without what better way to begin sneak

9:43

we that to have a little bit

9:45

of a end of the

9:47

trial a narrative arc i

9:49

guess and who better to join us

9:51

then the of fill our didn't mark

9:54

bankston plaintiffs' attorneys

9:56

for our for scarlett louis

9:59

and neil has led that you for joining us ai

10:01

so much what's your euros

10:06

, the was was

10:08

, favorites

10:10

right of the community absolutely the

10:13

, thanks for making time for a bouncer

10:15

everyone's bang and down your doors at

10:18

this point well

10:20

mark i defaulted told he does

10:22

and all it so this is the

10:24

officer the only interview i'm doing no

10:26

other press i

10:29

said i'll do this one in that sense no

10:31

joke about this is the i'm

10:33

since i walked off the court house grounds

10:36

the first time i've spoken to any

10:38

sort of public media and guys first

10:41

you know up in public ,

10:44

now that i would say get lonely fuck

10:46

outta here i don't have to now

10:48

follow follow

10:51

, i don't move

10:53

right other all come for you are for as i

10:56

mentioned this more at it this morning as

10:58

recording as we were on reliable

11:01

sources of brian stelter and i

11:03

was just like don't costs don't

11:05

swear oaths so hard

11:07

for me on like not be successful zip

11:09

i didn't scream at one time the time

11:12

of day as great the

11:14

reason i'm here actually is because i knew if

11:16

i went on cnn and the man i mean i am

11:19

i was mad i'm in a what's

11:22

most his little loose with bring him that

11:25

swearing to mind what's mind were

11:27

orioles had that and we got

11:29

a strong nine right now man we

11:32

were i was the i

11:35

i don't know why but this trial took

11:37

more outta me like

11:39

emotional i don't because you know why and why

11:43

why did you ever not the i was something else

11:45

were we were holy shit

11:48

the idea i feel good

11:50

now i think that we

11:52

wanted a little bit of difference when it comes

11:54

to the numbers break down but we're extremely

11:57

happy with where sad and i think the message

12:00

that the clients wanted to send

12:02

wasn't pretty clear and loud

12:04

so yeah i'm i'm i'm super happy but

12:07

, x hailing and

12:09

taken a deep breath just kind of relaxing little bit at

12:11

this point and i was jumping on a private

12:13

jets go to forget his number number

12:16

years i may all birds all

12:19

point better that you bring up there too

12:21

but be be and and such a

12:23

dick i think a lot of times be the

12:25

reporting on this misses you know there's a lot

12:27

of flashy numbers and millions

12:29

and and the context it as

12:32

the message am be the

12:34

actual intent and wants of

12:36

the ah is kind

12:38

of lost in the shuffle a little bit

12:41

shoo in the kinda complications of

12:44

how , actually plays a great

12:46

lakes is is you

12:48

had people jumping on immediately saw hundred and forty

12:51

you know i mean i'm sorry forty five minute or verdict and

12:53

there verdict there not exactly sure i

12:55

reported they don't understand what caps are they

12:57

don't understand where he goes from here they're understand anything

12:59

about what's happening and in what people as remembers

13:02

his his shows through the company into bankruptcy

13:04

but mid trial and

13:07

and lifted state for this particular trust

13:09

everything's going to bankruptcy court we

13:11

you know it yeah you got practical

13:14

cap on this we got seven city proclaim

13:17

and then you've got to descend it's proclaim

13:19

so so as the cap is applied you're looking at

13:21

at like four point five million up

13:24

on top of the four point one from the convincingly

13:26

plus the one point five they paid and sanctions

13:29

plus a couple hundred thousand they still have been

13:31

saying since about , and

13:33

interest on the four point one gringos

13:35

i'm in a way that life just maybe

13:37

ten million is which i out

13:39

on on a base value better thing about

13:42

it on my wife's of

13:44

bitcoin but like they but like the thing about

13:46

that though is that that because

13:48

they put themselves in bankruptcy and

13:51

and that means that the potential appeals that

13:53

you could you gonna be doing those of next couple

13:55

years they have to be like baked into

13:57

the value of how that gets don't

13:59

up and

13:59

it's use a lot of leverage values

14:02

is going to be higher than what we actually have

14:04

under the topic that appeal the

14:06

beach potential to that that

14:08

kept declared

14:10

not applicable of this case is is

14:12

gives enough value oh

14:14

that's an incisive our i hadn't considered

14:17

that that's really interesting i will i

14:19

mean the whole thing is to leverage your ability

14:21

to appeal this and especially because this would be like

14:23

the golden case to appeal this on

14:25

because you ever have a damaged cap on

14:27

a case where there was a default judgment and

14:30

was even presumed damages in the nature of those

14:32

claims if you now your costume

14:34

now to counter this like it's the that

14:36

feeds we've been waiting for a case the

14:38

sad part is that's not gonna have were never give items

14:41

from corpus we're going to valued in the courts the

14:43

library appeal on that value

14:45

and the thing is as you got you got very

14:47

common in with his was a nine point

14:50

of she got to mourn and with asthma generous

14:52

and believe me by that time unless they just listen

14:54

here's an absolute kicker cel in

14:56

that case i mean that that the damage

14:58

his neck is our fucking stunning i

15:00

mean it had is really just were reflects

15:03

and it is not marcel fontaine kiss

15:07

and right yeah i , know when

15:09

bright yellow everywhere and

15:11

especially like writing right and so

15:13

yeah i mean this i mean it like there's a good going

15:16

around the world right now about like word dividing up the corpse

15:18

of in for wars and bankrupt addict that's why i

15:20

know how you for somebody

15:22

who claims to not want to court attention

15:24

and media has passed off as far

15:27

as the , just

15:30

to awesome yourself idol

15:32

i don't want to be i don't want any media attention

15:35

so i'm going to throw pipe bombs from the top of

15:37

his roof or set a time

15:39

when wanted he thinks about he first two

15:42

years you said those i eat

15:44

said i feel it was always

15:46

is the third and yes is knew him or herself

15:49

out evil eye liner

15:51

notes the funniest part and

15:53

i'll tell you story probably five

15:55

years ago maybe six years ago mark

15:57

try to case god the

16:00

old adams and he tried he put

16:02

his heart into it he tried it and with his dad

16:05

and they got screwed and

16:07

he with i case it was dead

16:09

series is like i don't i'm never try another

16:11

case this isn't for me this

16:13

isn't my thing it i think

16:15

this is the first time he was in a courtroom then

16:17

the i'm oh no i'm not a couple

16:20

since then that with well but right and

16:22

see as a tool animals and with the for

16:24

a second but like like yeah there's

16:26

been a are been like okay that's that's

16:29

right and then you start participating in some of these

16:31

bigger trust right and and yet again

16:33

a couple open mike's before he got us

16:36

, have you got a little good feedback

16:39

and then you're any i use in my

16:41

of you spend your life second turn

16:43

trials like him you're young players lawyer and lawyer

16:45

and how trial works the back here

16:48

but to actually be in this

16:51

moment this thing this

16:53

i mean is it was surreal it was

16:55

absolutely sir

16:56

and an idea i thought i promise i got

16:58

to emotionally invested in prior cases to

17:00

when they don't go well you you it's you take is it

17:03

yeah that's , run at

17:05

all all imaginary dollars having

17:07

a very interesting surreal interesting

17:10

we opposite experience like i

17:12

thought was good as this oh it was

17:14

this be good for it's funny because

17:17

now i'm in opinion our

17:19

eyes i would say mark now has the most

17:21

famous lawyer moment of the

17:23

last decade least absolutely

17:26

that that was their data something going on

17:28

television you know the people saw that

17:30

it was just rocked everybody's it's the

17:32

new is the gloves a new doesn't sit

17:34

ups are

17:38

you know what by injuries are all

17:40

medical records be sequestered you're

17:42

not supposed to ask known

17:44

as in with night at

17:48

that i because because market slapped

17:50

rain all and the jet birthmark and the

17:52

judges library know so many times i really

17:55

feel like at the end he was like i just don't

17:57

even want to stand up i'm not going even feel good

17:59

about what happened the are not

18:01

us i

18:03

don't understand

18:07

the plainfield he thought he was going to come in here and in

18:10

you got bad press is good press and

18:12

know it is not a

18:14

he don't want us i gave guys name

18:16

right now if you're hiring a warner and it was

18:21

not only was it a pitch

18:23

perfect like most

18:27

evil dude in america spotted

18:30

in casas, way through it but the fact that the

18:32

mole itself focused so

18:34

intently on opposing counsel that

18:37

even though the law in crime camera

18:39

person who's ever do the camera in there like does

18:41

this dramatic pair of pants down and

18:45

, i could have any right

18:48

off the theatrical

18:49

i tell you i saw a sober hoping plan

18:52

on the daily show the night after i did it and i was

18:54

i was obviously on a high but then i was like

18:56

for a second i almost felt for the

18:58

dude cause i know all of his friends is you

19:00

know is alex liberal trend you foods

19:03

i do for all i mean

19:05

drought tolerant i i differ

19:07

a little bit on that i do feel bad like i think that

19:10

he inherited a case that was shit already

19:12

there nothing could do about it and i pre probably

19:14

took that case without re intel

19:17

appreciating were the case was and

19:19

then just bomb after bomb after

19:21

bomb was dropped on him and i

19:24

do i kind of feel bad cause i think and five

19:26

years

19:27

at like a whole at a at an airport in atlanta

19:29

some is be like oh you the guy

19:32

with the cellphone

19:35

, like you mean when you know a thing as a cinnabon

19:37

in atlanta is our starters nothing nothing

19:40

just i it's rare that like

19:42

that happens especially on such a big states

19:44

and miscible towering over towering place

19:48

about it place happen or

19:51

be like like like rare like

19:53

you know sort

19:56

of go extinct more than

19:59

extinct i came home and i

20:01

have a kind of rough around the edges

20:03

cousin who i would not expect to be plugged

20:05

into sort thing normally and he came

20:07

right up to and he was like what the heck

20:10

is going on that lawyer and he goes

20:12

me a man i would not

20:14

hire that guy to represent me and the mc

20:16

challenge like after like ,

20:19

doing is wow

20:21

the effects of or are unreal

20:24

and i did i'll tell you i felt bad for felt moment but

20:26

i need to tell a story that a story told

20:28

on the record in court so again that tools

20:30

out of school the i

20:32

met run or back in march when he was coming in to defend

20:35

their other lawyer who got found for tampering

20:37

evidence and think that's recently while brought into criminal

20:39

lawyer he walked up to me

20:41

aside on on the steps out from the

20:43

courthouse and he be tried to

20:45

do some sort of psycho psi ops

20:47

up you know mess with your opponents as honest

20:49

up and then eventually tells me so the long lines

20:51

of of you're never getting a dime

20:54

of this case or your clients are never get a dime

20:56

office case ah like

20:58

you're about to a bunch of work hard

21:00

hinting at this fraudulent bankruptcies about to

21:02

fall and the knesset just classes

21:04

on itself old everything goes south

21:06

hands of own habits fido a million

21:08

dollars and sanctions which he pays in the middle

21:11

with trial they actually hand me that check

21:13

in and get that on over and

21:15

now he ends up with this moment i

21:17

yeah it's just desserts you give you were

21:19

to come in this case and try to defend like with

21:21

some sort of principled advocacy

21:24

that's one thing but if you come in and used to be bag

21:26

man for alex jones proto madman

21:28

like whatever you get every bad

21:30

thing that's committee and right now oh

21:33

my god are the things dropping on him run on saturday

21:36

and advocate do this show cause

21:38

in for discipline all of that jones as

21:40

accessible malpractice claims against of roger

21:43

stone is begging him to sue him saying

21:46

you know the majority of veterans with a narrative

21:50

it's the same shit it's false flag again

21:52

it's again it's holder put this guy

21:54

and somehow weasel yoga classes

21:56

and like and eventually out of jokes about

21:58

that

21:59

really now

22:02

has he has taxable oh

22:04

defamation play begins roger stone this sousa

22:08

sandblasted but it's all like

22:10

this is going while is don't the i can tell

22:12

you there was loses little part of fear part

22:14

me that when the bankruptcy came in and

22:17

then when we had this and the my know

22:19

what's about to happen them in them next of illness

22:21

next of like guys your shows not long for this

22:23

world is he is going down the tubes very very

22:25

fast but weather's nice what

22:27

is really going to savor moment

22:29

is this downfall this exit

22:31

jones from the american states is going to

22:34

take a considerable amount of time and expose

22:36

him to a considerable amount of danger

22:38

you're going to have counted for the next year

22:40

that is just gold is unreal

22:43

it's it's so poetic and like we're

22:45

finally it's finally happening assessment

22:47

of moons finally up yeah

22:49

i think i think one of the things that's really

22:52

important about that is that as

22:54

it happens probably

22:56

because it'll be a little bit protected there will be

22:59

so many opportunities for the in

23:01

inside of the sausage to be understood

23:04

right little bit more by the public which i think

23:06

be incredibly helpful in

23:08

teaching people about be sorts

23:10

of actors and how they operate

23:13

so you can understand other people

23:15

like them and avoid falling

23:17

for the same trick young just another

23:19

face like and so you a

23:22

lesson cause know when it comes out to own

23:24

they can do some educating and and

23:26

in in if you think i'm little blue on your

23:28

podcast wet seal guy who said ass

23:31

in the courtroom zero

23:34

nine hundred pair of the get me

23:37

, on net and

23:40

i was like absolutely not no

23:42

no the other surfaces

23:45

was something about his to the see draw and

23:47

something about this the whole posture the center

23:49

of the whole damn case he away with

23:52

saying about jones put this

23:54

ass up on the with the stand and i get

23:56

flowed with actually works as now becomes

23:58

a house and like well he

24:00

met him when west did that he

24:04

just let it rip that was that

24:06

he emotionally be a practice

24:08

a couple with the night before and

24:10

it was it wasn't like that in that

24:13

was it's weird because this

24:15

trial the way progress was like

24:17

kyle crossed oh it was absolute

24:19

bloodbath and everything oh man that's what

24:22

i came here for and in march

24:25

we don't jones the

24:27

term perry mason said the world know

24:31

what's happening now and then scarlet

24:34

takes the stand in his in my opinion

24:36

the most powerful moment i will ever be a part

24:38

of were soon a dog eared

24:40

and just looked right alex in that and spoke

24:43

to him there there

24:45

it was an objection

24:47

after one also no questions being

24:49

asked she was just talking there

24:51

would was radar going to do like objects you

24:53

know is that way i am were

24:55

me i will miss my objective the her

24:58

last that it's like seat and i

25:01

it's like is because your attorney didn't agree

25:04

, his toys me

25:08

is that we get that in then here comes westfall

25:10

and so westfall has the was the only

25:13

one of us that could do that the parents

25:15

without crying though my dad

25:17

is miracle ,

25:19

were like i do it mark was gonna do it in the

25:21

that's a kind of tired toward like

25:23

mid trial marks like like is friday

25:25

book and are so wes had

25:28

that's we didn't get wess you

25:30

know

25:31

everybody's got their own style and west is

25:33

definitely the most kind of cavalier

25:35

maverick type style and would cross

25:37

happens it's just a different type

25:39

of of town and so

25:41

he didn't show that and then all then sudden the took

25:44

he took the closing and just

25:46

i mean

25:47

it out there and it was it was that was

25:49

prompted by for that closer to

25:52

it's probably it's probably bit unfortunate that it's

25:54

denote so overshadowed by

25:56

the perry mason moment you know that like

25:59

it well almost like no

26:01

one's talking about bs yeah overshadowing

26:04

is because we're not talking

26:06

about the fact that for the first time ever we

26:09

played we played

26:10

the defendant calling the judge

26:12

a pedophile ah i forgot

26:15

about it , thought

26:17

we offer that have been did play

26:19

we played play we of the different

26:21

calling the jury about your blue collar

26:23

simple things in the middle of trial

26:26

like a through those two things are insane

26:28

and they're not in the top far

26:30

no the that was clans

26:33

of calling nose or kneel

26:35

on the spectrum of create

26:38

, i thought about that anymore so many like

26:40

somebody of kind of just sued

26:42

moments kept in trial bomb

26:45

but most i mean obviously the perry mason

26:47

why because our said they're nice try

26:49

on the perry mason and buckets like oh

26:52

you have no idea what i'm saying saying

26:54

i i was ask you

26:56

guys how do you feel because i you like ultimately

26:59

the jury did an amazing

27:01

job because of the amount of bullshit

27:03

that is them in such

27:05

a short period of time that

27:07

their ability to kind of like

27:10

the at least process it into

27:12

where it went i feel like it's kind

27:14

of almost amazing a way did you guys feel that

27:16

similarly would either really us whole jump

27:19

right in that your it was abroad

27:21

mix of different backgrounds people in

27:24

they were is none of his bullshit

27:26

stuck in for a second they were a it from square

27:28

one

27:29

there was basically like wonder who was who

27:31

is a little

27:33

you know hesitant about certain of the ideas

27:35

of of

27:37

i don't know free not necessarily for not

27:39

necessarily even free speech willing to sort

27:41

of ice he i even com

27:43

and people which also cannot tolerate

27:46

evil businesses existing surfing

27:48

some and but but like as oh every

27:50

other jurors through the like immediately

27:52

was dc worse com this is

27:55

just absolutely horrible so as we once

27:57

we were able to talk to them they gave us or feedback after

27:59

the trial

27:59

well i'm a it was clear the message

28:02

they were sending for one hundred percent and and we didn't

28:04

we really didn't know who like you say you know

28:06

my brother actually told me about this he was using

28:09

this trial it's like it's like trying

28:11

to get your mom to start watching the marvel cinematic

28:13

universe or these fucking characters like

28:15

why is harry styles showing up at the end of eternal

28:17

like with none of this is making sense the botanical

28:20

at a i made my credit scene yeah

28:23

nothing but brother submit it's just like the mc you

28:25

movies million you sure as hell don't wanna

28:27

miss the pros credit scenes every day because that's where

28:29

the real stuff goes down there is every time

28:31

is day when she left the courtroom something crazy would happen

28:34

i know they are combined

28:37

did you did there was a over he

28:39

was about to give a cat and maybe loses life and i

28:41

stepped in supplication

28:46

, me as like one of the larger plaintiff's

28:49

lawyer hum i i

28:52

lived for me some had that

28:54

luxury i see i the

28:56

an office of why men i like this again on

28:58

i feel i don't i don't think you saved his

29:00

life as a fairly but i do think you might have his

29:02

license because his every know really

29:04

did go after of i have no doubt markers

29:07

and gonna be like can i get the cops nearby

29:09

like i don't think that allows you to go up there was

29:12

, i stepped around is because as

29:14

the as they both started now the back in

29:16

march mark we oh will you

29:18

talk to me and all the cameras

29:21

no funny know unless you were injury so much

29:23

needed know where that came from one on living

29:25

on america's not i do not

29:28

own business kind of understand this wrestler

29:30

me out of this of this moment of them

29:32

flipping me often do in the whole thing is that

29:34

immediately preceding that i'd basically mans have

29:37

a large swath of is evidence excluded because

29:39

he just doesn't his way around civil

29:41

law monster board the

29:43

i would not not not all the videos

29:45

out he was upset at all times

29:47

dot by the judge for three different things he he

29:50

was hot that decks and so it

29:52

might as really been the corby like right

29:54

in my face like up my face

29:57

like eighth grade school yard

29:59

stuff like where he like right up in there and

30:01

and like were and like how to defuse

30:03

it a little bit

30:05

but so what i say is

30:07

looks on the camera like i'm being

30:09

super super reasonable to i'm i'm like hey

30:11

federico we have sunny

30:13

we haven't watched

30:15

the jury selection of is that this dude started

30:18

jury selection by going up every you're journal

30:20

one mrs miss rodriguez whoever it

30:23

no mr rodriguez we talk to me

30:26

and they'd be like as a

30:28

yeah i guess and them before they season goodness

30:30

you're you're never too

30:31

we talk to

30:33

your number

30:34

we talk to meet and he did this for sixteen

30:36

strangers and ago so

30:39

goddamn awkward that he would just be like

30:41

third row would you do

30:48

, then i said that

30:50

to him which on the camera which ostensibly like

30:52

i'm being a peacemaker try not only does

30:54

it will just an absolute kick to him

30:56

like he was just was theory for all that

30:59

little know that he shot the bird but we'll

31:01

notice that than notice video than that stopped

31:03

paying attention him by that moment i'm with you

31:05

know got into somebody as i didn't even know he did it

31:07

until the next day

31:09

the and and the other judge was absolutely

31:11

furious about him doing all that

31:13

those but often the i

31:15

didn't go and yoda toe in i i

31:19

i'm watching it and then i see just

31:21

camera starting to focus and i'm like oh

31:24

how , arena we gotta get this that's what that's

31:26

why i tie kinda parts in because i could see

31:28

like ten different different

31:30

, to remember that was like

31:33

yeah exactly i know that's boring myself

31:35

through camera same time like time

31:37

didn't want marked to look to like not have the

31:39

white gloves on when it came to you

31:41

know whatever this was going to end it until it was oh

31:43

hey let's just calm down one phone call later

31:46

yeah there's yeah great a picture that saw

31:48

of like a the you

31:50

are a mark and retinol are bill

31:52

you're just in the background looking on like a oh

31:54

yeah just yeah look at your face

31:57

of up well here well go yeah was

31:59

just like muslims and [unk] these know the cameras are on

32:01

please don't say they surpluses and ago

32:03

that sells wanted to me not

32:05

least of which because that wasn't like

32:08

the middle of the trial that

32:10

was days fucking one

32:12

that yeah a woman money

32:15

yeah was under the and from the get

32:17

go with it was right on that

32:19

it was where it from the get go the

32:21

just got worse every every day and you have

32:23

to understand looking back on it

32:25

i knew what i have

32:27

right i knew what i had i knew what he had

32:29

given me and i my you know i know

32:32

you also had to wait like

32:34

a has more days before that

32:37

as it were an hour for that clock

32:39

to run out and i says environment

32:42

us on twitter but a mean it is it

32:44

is something that kind of it is hard to wrap

32:46

my mind around is the defense had

32:48

made no difference text

32:51

wouldn't have been allowed that that are already

32:53

been in a week right don't

32:57

we didn't run i'm not doing this

32:59

yeah and not just that but the even

33:01

as is after the trial you wouldn't have been able

33:03

to use them you could have turned them over right but you

33:05

would have had that luxury not exactly exactly

33:09

and i could have never trap jones double

33:11

see known his known his on when

33:13

beautiful text message orderly and with wilde

33:16

is made that choice get this

33:19

by the day we were going to rest

33:21

that day i was i was free and clear i

33:23

have and i had jones under subpoena

33:26

and i could put on the stand then i

33:28

didn't i read assassinated

33:31

i knew or i do they

33:33

going to call her sister has arrived for arrived agree that

33:35

could you bullet that bullet that i always

33:37

wanted to do that as an adult hit song

33:40

a dancer they did where they tried to humanize guy

33:42

or made some reasonable you don't want

33:44

them clean enough what you just it and you'll notice

33:46

would read all devastated on that he

33:48

stood up and as just a couple of questions they

33:50

were basically questions designed to protect

33:52

himself yeah i'm an out and

33:55

nephews school next i'm

33:59

a good lawyer right i'm a didn't like

34:01

that on perjury like eyes you just turned

34:03

over things we handle you trusted that nobody had

34:05

said as a hell of a contradiction to eat husband

34:07

up says no one hundred percent needed the is

34:10

he warming sigma guys

34:12

you are you're sitting there and that happens

34:14

to and jones's off the sand and

34:17

you have to close now

34:18

you're a lawyer with all that rain down

34:20

on our partners to

34:22

and and i noticed that even

34:24

during

34:25

the closing arguments with kyle

34:27

was presenting his closing rain

34:30

all was on his laptops and i can see

34:32

just enough of the glare of the screen to

34:34

see the giant costs half a logo

34:36

on the bottom of an email and so i

34:38

know that rain all while kyle

34:40

is closing she's having to feverish

34:43

we communicate with the cost of lawyers about

34:45

the medical records that he should see

34:47

this is ,

34:49

a while the i've never seen any any

34:51

give a circumstance like that it's time to

34:54

tear larynx i larynx

34:57

the are you you know isn't gonna

34:59

cut it now you need something i've

35:02

, my larynx is really bad solar

35:05

thermal at the top a lot the hard cough

35:07

right at the end is like is what everybody see

35:09

and on my car so down your own i guess

35:12

the rumblings that were happening

35:14

throughout the development of the questioning like

35:17

no member yet demo and i ask you

35:19

a new city pulled it into the party

35:21

looks for all summer lot

35:24

, yours i used to see how many how many marvel's

35:26

you could put his mouth a still talking i

35:29

there are dampier another latest hobby

35:31

body cough drops success with

35:33

your says that he has multiple cell phones

35:35

with that number i fucking love my guy

35:37

and has to could use him up herself like than

35:39

on the spot visitor hang takes a

35:42

a on mark is mark is

35:46

exactly what i thought it was is so much better

35:48

than a what i thought as good of you have a zero mired

35:51

in mired usually like system looks know even

35:53

with this outcome the clients like nothing

35:55

could have happened in the trial exciting the outcome athens

35:58

are still there cinder thrilled

35:59

the moon right looks like it's like our

36:02

rock has been lifted off

36:03

i don't i arrived

36:06

at a little bit more about that jonah sir

36:08

, touched on that his opponent when

36:11

you walk in in book

36:13

that's why our spirits are so right now

36:15

because it was an absolute celibate

36:18

tory mood among the world's carmen family

36:20

like it was amazing that

36:22

is everything i've everything wanted to outsiders

36:24

and part of it does come down to that there was

36:26

such was dramatic repudiation of jones

36:29

in the courtroom or the space that

36:31

as to the but the entire

36:33

thing because they know what's happening now they know

36:35

where things are going they know the other cases

36:38

are coming they know everything about in the all

36:40

of it just makes them feel like they just put a battering

36:42

ram through the fortress and it's all crumbling down

36:44

and like now i was on literal what

36:46

i say in some ways

36:48

it was like they were so see in the sunshine a good

36:50

for the first time yeah i mean they were my really

36:52

shine a future where they work constantly

36:54

thinking about this where they would have a delight

36:57

the like species is this a real good

36:59

thing that i remember about what

37:01

scarlet toby is that when you're

37:03

a parent you it's your job to

37:05

protect herself as and she

37:08

was like ike i couldn't be there on december

37:10

twelfth try to have a to protect him into

37:12

when he died it became my job to protect his

37:14

like

37:15

that was my job now that's what i've made

37:17

my whole life about and that's what trying

37:19

to do with the move it to counteract this stuff

37:22

it but you can you feel like every

37:24

time you see john stuff every time

37:26

you have these people contact to every time

37:28

it happens you feel like you're failing you're single

37:30

again and again and she's like

37:32

it's over now that the only the absolute

37:35

most batshit crazy people believe this the

37:37

adios moved on from it has become toxic

37:39

and not undies gun and and to

37:41

see them so abby about

37:44

that father my there is

37:46

a small part of me that maybe i'm just

37:48

such pessimists that pessimists worry a little

37:50

bit about people being by

37:53

be consequences that come to alex

37:55

you know it be a being a galvanizing

37:58

thing of folks wrestling

38:00

and more i hope that matter case

38:02

for their i get a court be raised on how

38:05

reacted to at all which was are you

38:07

know do believe the parents and eight you

38:09

know he he is as

38:11

half assed of apologies as he you

38:14

know he did on on to

38:16

some extent a lease on the stand to hundred

38:18

percent kind of repudiate all the dumb

38:20

stuff he's been say why and on his

38:22

show he was saying that he wanted to have scarlett

38:24

on a are very eve supporters

38:26

are movement is wonderful woman and

38:29

swinging i'd i'd to be decided it without

38:31

before the putative good

38:33

now i found that to be one of those moments

38:35

that i wish more people talked about it's like that

38:38

idea of alex inviting them on

38:40

their show on his show is so

38:42

disgusting to me at the idea

38:44

of having them online saying

38:46

with black i guess borderline nice

38:48

things and then i'm almost going to assume

38:51

that he would be like and also you know

38:53

i'm i'm right to this whole thing

38:55

sooner or later they don't sell

38:58

is bullshit like that disgusts me

39:00

on a level i can't even comprehend

39:02

when i think about them i will say this

39:04

though scarlets reaction to that

39:07

was it will

39:09

get to just one person to

39:11

support the movement and further i'm

39:13

it c e rather oh my

39:16

you're only as our identities such

39:18

a strong person newest well in

39:21

a do it in different ways

39:23

her

39:24

no involvement in in

39:27

the the choose love movement

39:29

is movement is

39:30

impressive when you look at what her story

39:33

is yeah every think about her

39:35

is impressive i don't matter you

39:37

, might be a better position to make

39:39

this council but i would advise

39:41

her not to go for for

39:45

was of course i do i go

39:47

on sale of the whole social

39:49

all that were that borderline offensive

39:52

from jones the joneses a madman so whenever

39:54

but what's offensive to me is

39:56

offensive to that from jumps what i did not

39:58

expect to see here crossings the point

40:00

of of well did you ever try to get with

40:02

jones more and more yeah

40:04

you're yeah trauma with alex fucking jones

40:07

did you ever try to do that miss louis and

40:09

i'm like you're disgusting and like you

40:11

to straight up disgusting i don't know to like

40:13

that in the quoting the anti nazi home

40:15

and the in oil you know he did my

40:19

first , kbr like he just did the whole

40:21

thing and it's like as you know more soon

40:23

as you mad at each other what he said like as you

40:25

say that we looked at each like no fucking to get

40:28

this random random

40:30

i had such as a father that be

40:32

heard home is that like it's first

40:34

became for the for then again for

40:36

the comments like alex hates communist

40:39

he would com know what economists just

40:41

as such he has he ,

40:43

alex the copped communist in their

40:45

try one moment what's so

40:47

special about it cass

40:50

noon scarlett and their lawyers

40:53

as literal nazis that's what we ought

40:55

to them your day or we are the first road

40:57

towards extermination of the jurors

40:59

and then there's like what fuck

41:02

are you doing like i just i can't it's

41:04

probably have a home more poorly

41:07

thought them like intentionally

41:09

right by stating that allows said that

41:13

they probably did that piece that because you can that

41:15

poem miss much more clickable to

41:18

a criminal trial yeah sure

41:20

yeah yoga prosecutors

41:22

are for you know the a government is coming for the

41:24

people for this that the other and

41:26

i wonder what he went on with use that a

41:28

few other times yeah have and

41:30

into the a know a website i think that's what

41:32

he did you know you don't mind actually

41:35

be but yeah that was an

41:37

interesting quote especially with jones's

41:41

the a persuasive when played more jacobson step

41:43

up to have an all that envision green

41:46

all which were terrible and all of

41:48

them were the one that really

41:50

but i'm a caught my breath because i was in the

41:52

court that dates but when he decided

41:54

to cross examine five and

41:57

scarlett i guess

42:00

there's no way you can possibly think this

42:02

is a good legal strategy civil matter

42:05

too bad your the people that we're we're

42:07

talking about you defame like that's

42:09

it say interesting strategy

42:11

on where i will say this that we can see everything

42:13

he did was bad because

42:15

he'd like any the tax hear me

42:18

that more and he held us on the compensatory

42:21

damages a little bit sooner we ask

42:23

for a lot we do we work in egypt tried

42:25

you you want to say

42:26

you know high bar in and work down

42:29

should i mean four point one was

42:31

the giving her less than what we would want to there

42:34

made up it on the on the putative side but walking

42:36

out of of that i had to say like fuck

42:38

as much as generated outside case

42:41

and how many he could have prevented

42:44

you know he do

42:46

i mean that is it from he

42:48

did that's rhonda years

42:50

been what the situation

42:52

is your wife to send a message and are fewer

42:54

divorces compensatory reiser and years

42:57

for movies that are in order to

42:59

give these people to billion dollars a piece is more money

43:01

than they've seen the life or we'll see rally could

43:03

security number for those and then that animal

43:06

that is another that

43:08

is another kind of point about that is that

43:10

one of the hard things that you guys one of the hard jobs

43:13

i'm assuming you guys had was trying to impress

43:15

upon these people that are one hundred and fifty

43:17

million dollars is not

43:19

a huge amount of money do you know what i mean

43:21

like the others may be made

43:23

to i sat in a year as he makes close to million

43:26

dollars every day he made twice

43:28

sat in a year

43:29

not a huge amount of money in

43:32

, soon as as put on

43:34

a certain cases prowl based on the evidence

43:36

that's really out there in front of you based on what

43:39

what his revenues are with his net worth is

43:42

reality is is jones is a shitty

43:44

businessman

43:45

my is know if if if

43:48

hit said million bar we know anything above

43:50

that is just messaging that point

43:52

because once you started a toxin

43:54

million you started at to average those out

43:57

to lafferty players in the pi yeah he's wiped

43:59

out this writers no more info wars

44:01

is no more alex jones know there's no m there's no

44:03

super of gold hidden somewhere

44:05

that this not that that's not happened

44:08

to him and rippling effect of

44:10

those rare times judgments that

44:12

they would just impact his business and

44:14

in ways that are you know not just

44:17

directly you have to pay this there are other

44:19

things that will have those those

44:21

ball rolling down the hill for out

44:23

later that year they i

44:25

buried of billion bitcoin billion an

44:27

island or barbados we gotta we gotta it up

44:30

it can only little syrians if

44:33

, have it out there right if the

44:35

evidence out there that can be used to surmise

44:38

hayes disgusted have one hundred to two hundred

44:40

million dollars assuming he's not a total

44:42

moron right like that's basically economists

44:44

conclusive montreal it's on a move

44:48

out of you don't is don't you exact aside

44:50

added of that evidence is that evidence if

44:52

all of this isn't just allusions like all

44:55

of the smoke and mirrors it's that's real

44:57

the people go to jail

44:59

any do understand that that it's it's

45:02

it's it's almost like vastly

45:04

less i'm right in our

45:08

to no no he's got out of

45:13

me as honest as honest evidence that we admire

45:16

on of us is nobody to know the real truth

45:18

into and this bankruptcy the is a

45:20

situation yeah if a if

45:22

yeah this is if all of this does surmise

45:24

to be right that should be a hundred two hundred

45:26

million

45:28

that conclusion needs to get

45:30

again we believe based

45:32

on really

45:35

, a game between you and right no one more

45:38

issue of

45:42

us who i don't think you have this whole thought that

45:44

i'll assume stood on the stand under oath

45:46

and said two million dollars will wipe us out

45:48

at stroke years and why is

45:50

that the rules say

45:53

is that because that's true the other

45:55

thing is a lie i'm saying that that thing

45:58

is also untrue and there's and

46:00

i were in their eyes and readings

46:03

unless exactly right as the number

46:05

a or number it's it

46:07

was an isolated these minus four

46:10

i can understand the temptation by somebody

46:12

like renault to attempt to inject

46:14

into the first part of the trial claims that

46:17

alex has alone network i can understand the

46:19

rationale for monday that i can understand why jones

46:21

with the said on the stamps were i can't believe

46:23

is that they allow to happen that jones

46:25

gave testimony under oath about

46:27

us financial condition both for

46:29

a bankruptcy that a year

46:32

a set on online the i

46:34

did definitely on was is in so that's

46:36

what i'm saying is that that if it's any

46:38

of this if he was line then than he's in a

46:40

lot from the answer and so

46:43

i , know if we owe him to that we could that that

46:46

i gotta ah

46:49

we it out here on

46:52

a less a prison here know that

46:54

matters but i will say that

46:57

the amount of help and

46:59

that we had throughout this trial from

47:02

the like are ya have to

47:04

have the most loyal fan

47:06

listening base of time i

47:08

mean there were multiple people

47:11

sending clips crop that were

47:13

like a lifetime of of when they

47:15

were being grub put out by if a worse we

47:17

had connecticut boys were helping out as

47:19

much as they could they were watching were had

47:23

the lawyers that were friends with from

47:25

that did the the fetzer trafford when

47:27

epoch posner came down

47:30

and with the last few days we have friend

47:32

lawyers that came in in and out there were helping

47:35

our warriors were there they were helping

47:38

my girlfriend was helped me why

47:40

threats the the medical

47:43

experts that i put on doctor lubitsch sheath in

47:45

canada really helped us with him getting

47:47

cross it was it is just the

47:49

amount of people that

47:51

we're willing and offering all

47:53

the stuff

47:54

during the trial was insane

47:56

i'm bad at the prospect park let's

47:58

juxtapose with alex who

48:00

had bought a body under fast

48:04

and he had he had some had lawyer

48:07

apparently who came to the courthouse in

48:09

their didn't know adam lanza was so

48:12

he had a brain trust to you know yet

48:14

a lotta held out

48:15

right

48:17

however how is the old

48:19

dude was old dude is a centralized

48:21

other words around ray

48:23

know the mentor you know in a

48:26

little mac moment so

48:28

i will say this

48:29

he he didn't talk much

48:32

use an ominous press he was terrified

48:35

the the the times that he spoke with

48:37

are two times one when

48:39

neil got off the stand i waited in the hallway

48:41

with him all the jurors had their questions were

48:43

submitting the questions and ,

48:46

was coming from the bathroom right before we got started

48:48

and he looked at me said can i shake your clients hand

48:50

and i suggest he shook his hand he said of so sorry

48:53

for all this this be when

48:55

the balance id on sale

48:57

at a time when i drove out the out seat

49:01

my clients seat not know

49:04

until softened his bullshit you carried around

49:07

for to the his hands

49:10

out on his ah the

49:12

good guy that is the second time

49:15

it happened was mark

49:17

m re know just got

49:19

done with some sort of battle

49:21

in front of the judge and it didn't go their

49:23

way and i went to the bathroom when he was next

49:25

to me then i just worked over the

49:28

back any it's like watched

49:30

a couple a gladiator go out there and hostess

49:32

like what is measured

49:37

not gladiators nice

49:39

their own a new larger you demanded

49:41

him on say good meal plan to

49:45

see his he was like man was couple gladiators

49:47

going out it has out it or is one gladiator

49:50

was a group of not group gladiator

49:53

hell am i the only durango and prose

49:55

stabbed joaquin phoenix joaquin the throes

49:58

yeah that would be flooded

49:59

the only reaction i had

50:02

with with with oh joe was

50:04

the reno come rushing out of the room to

50:06

get on the phone of patterson scream and yell about

50:08

that

50:11

i e you know joe are still in the

50:13

courtroom for a minute after that are back

50:15

with you and at this point they're just running out of the room

50:17

because they know the text have been disclosed that

50:19

that's what they're about to go by where are

50:22

the top tips pat pat us about but

50:24

ah but joseph standing there any

50:26

kind of standing there today is looking at me so i take

50:28

the opportunity to turn over to them and i just look i'm

50:30

writing an essay hey by the i should

50:32

also let you know that within those directories was

50:35

contain the entire confidential psychiatric

50:37

medical records the lottery players as well as all

50:39

the confidential depositions which neither

50:41

you or mr mr an hour allowed to have

50:43

so that seems like another problem that you're probably

50:45

going to need to tackle immediately i've i've gone i had

50:47

to notify the kind of the are plenty comes

50:50

from connecticut has and they just a

50:52

major like pulling a call at

50:54

her like that

50:57

inhabited new eight motionless

51:00

just don knotts eyes

51:02

i mean he is just there is

51:05

no yeah nice nice

51:07

visual old

51:09

references to

51:12

pray and stuff out of it pray just high thousand

51:14

out of the room thousand i saw i never actually had

51:17

saw and and interaction only eighty

51:19

if interaction remember if maintain eye

51:22

contact and just step backwards

51:24

out of town or

51:27

yeah i slowly go underneath

51:29

of little pew they're just slide

51:32

right there little am uk survey

51:34

anymore i'm in vegetable wow wow we're talking

51:36

about other lawyers talking need to touch on this be as

51:38

there was to bobby barnes

51:41

why on info wars and

51:43

he he had some choice words about you marquee

51:46

are you elaborate on malema

51:49

daemon lover gone yes

51:51

but also which i think it's a positive compliment

51:53

i'll see what he was so

51:55

confused by the where

51:58

you yelled out bobby

52:00

barnes so i got

52:03

rebels rebels

52:05

thought he was after all

52:07

the gory that was good at stake founded

52:11

in i corps we just had a really good bit

52:13

and i come back in there and mary was he

52:15

was a snacks and it was reaches i

52:18

had been back just like maybe

52:20

thirty five minutes before watching

52:22

a video with judge of barnes

52:24

given a simulated often states and

52:26

and talking about how to pass up like a snap with

52:29

the just and was a look at that point

52:31

i brought it up because i wanted

52:33

to ask mister a know

52:35

nobody wants a gag but

52:37

like now suffers get and set about the judge

52:39

can you get a hold your client the news is

52:41

slapstick version of a lawyer can

52:43

you please do something about that and of

52:45

courses answers now

52:47

the robot i really don't like

52:51

my , don't assume that are unreasonable

52:53

answer on his have argued like nice are

52:55

listens to know man i

52:58

mean he said like said we to be personnel figures

53:01

eat pray would have me from same this from is

53:03

this that he spoke to barnes so you try

53:05

out right like there's no use it

53:07

with the so it's he certainly

53:09

knows certainly not pleased when a couple days later

53:11

i'm literally plane to the jury

53:14

video barnes talking should say this is all

53:16

rigorous script a literal that his

53:18

videos of them connor pedophile judge on fire

53:20

all the subsidy just there

53:23

he is bobby to sit down the gallery owners

53:25

he took off the only said i wonder like he was in

53:27

i think you know sort of our might have i made

53:29

it was cause he's lawyer

53:32

yeah the way i was and i don't think that's

53:34

true i think i heard that on and floors

53:36

but that doesn't mean it's true yeah i would make

53:38

i'll be just as a non our way out as much as

53:41

has been his lawyer for all that seven something needs

53:43

to be is on his way out is don't know any either

53:45

a sec ah ah whether he he

53:47

he was insisting that you're obsessed

53:49

with him than that no one

53:51

has called him bobby in

53:53

a in terms he was a child i

53:58

don't know i think i've pretty

53:59

we call them by isaac were pretty

54:02

i think we're right on top of the by order

54:04

, a savvy bottle service

54:07

yeah yeah

54:09

probably model service which is nick kroll

54:11

skit back in the day yeah yeah

54:13

that is because no one's point around people's names

54:15

and so when we know his name was robert barnes when

54:18

he came bill of a rate of endeavor to

54:20

start economy bob and like image

54:22

turns out like he owns the we we were in

54:24

a double i think it was like two three months

54:26

after barnes gonna the case and there's another lawyer

54:29

there's and like bill referred

54:31

to like ah of him as barnes

54:33

against a witness in the which is like robert

54:36

barnes and news and or something

54:38

like a rigid does he go by bob roberts and

54:40

a one cause ya know he goes my boss and

54:42

guns is

54:45

a member of the places they have club

54:47

or to yeah bobby's get ahead of our

54:49

i would out i

54:51

would say that i am obsessed with him

54:54

in exactly the same way i am obsessed

54:56

with the few skits from i think you should leave and

54:58

then i just can't stop laughing at him and his water

55:01

over and over and over again the

55:03

martyrdom the operator of

55:05

lawyers com swappable exactly

55:08

as exactly as titles injured as aging

55:10

this but he's literally falling out of this coffin

55:13

every time the

55:15

apparently the john oliver a skit

55:18

just aired in cows and it was hilarious and

55:20

will have to like a fitting in the background yeah

55:22

my memory of use yeah already

55:25

we our opponent mind lanes

55:27

went unrecorded outrageous

55:30

i don't feel i am i don't think

55:32

things are done between me and burns i think he's gonna start

55:34

you talking on the show and we're going to see that leads shadow

55:37

six years i love it there

55:39

key as a key is going to be obsessed and come

55:41

up with a fun nickname for a

55:43

bit the thing that thing just to make

55:45

this make this is that says

55:48

the that alex had to write

55:50

an affidavit about to a court

55:52

to see is messed up everything and

55:54

please don't punish me because we're getting rid

55:56

of him and we will never have to hear from them again

55:59

and then is quicker

55:59

when it comes in and test positive thinking

56:02

about sued for malpractice and then now

56:04

law the rest scurry from ship certain

56:07

like a giuliani situation he's last one left right

56:09

like there's no there's sinking ship or by

56:11

new to get off with your skin lawyers who army

56:13

smart decisions to com the case somebody

56:15

i really some not but like like bread were

56:17

hasn't hosting something on in wars

56:20

you know exactly as demarco

56:22

the little bit of an of not an apology a

56:24

little bit of a kind word towards bread i do

56:27

i absolutely hermit crab i

56:29

don't know if you rallies those murder

56:31

you are fairly nice to him those

56:34

i when i i i went on are

56:36

deadly not that it was where there was no nicety

56:38

to but it was less hostile

56:41

i'm i'm of them is my ,

56:43

be what i was picking up on less often hear

56:46

what i'm a lawyer i'm every participant

56:48

on season one of survivor i'm like not here

56:50

to make friends like this i come in when

56:52

i see i i i was a lot of

56:54

humor for the reference point order

56:57

i am a survivor historian and they were not

56:59

doing that on season one two two

57:02

examine what they not know what the show

57:05

was like to go on my on

57:07

i think we might die on this are they let

57:10

us die reserved won't stop taking it

57:12

is taking out rudy seen as

57:14

be reason i still know nothing on

57:16

your taken out on and it's been

57:19

a map of snow by to who what

57:21

are we doing here yeah people not like

57:24

don't want to make friends with anybody on the zoc and just

57:27

and system i don't

57:29

like bridge they were eating shows

57:31

that was the be like rock of

57:33

love oh yeah yeah kind of

57:35

thing yeah yeah when i just want a complaint

57:38

michael i'd

57:40

want to make friends when asked me to place your

57:42

same do a damn good friends iphone

57:44

work february or about was a

57:47

check out of i will some nice

57:49

to have to such as he lives lies

57:51

lot of love saw that movie

57:54

he looked now yeah i target number dropped

57:56

i saw my legs rovers

57:58

of our what

58:01

a lack ,

58:03

your cigar cigar

58:09

a cliff louisiana right now right

58:13

surgery worse than i do i to

58:16

see motor vet see a relief

58:18

west was

58:21

would say i'm relief west i would

58:23

say some nice my bride because if it wasn't

58:26

for brad's forthrightness and honesty

58:28

is an attorney likely not have

58:31

some of the other malfeasance that occurs

58:33

and run with with with the she was hitting

58:35

the fan on that

58:37

that bread reeves was not about to risk

58:39

his license for the shenanigans any didn't

58:41

and and so i gotta say some nice about him and

58:44

any withdrew it was sandwich or when it became

58:46

apparent to him as that any effect of ron

58:48

earlier if you the list of me

58:50

you couldn't have grass you know it's about to bad

58:53

as he got one more paycheck

58:55

wouldn't don't want to be a part of this

58:57

and him he did now

59:00

bring i was a bread was the only each

59:02

i mean he inherited the shit that everybody

59:04

inherited that was already

59:07

made in he tried but

59:09

there was just with us pressing

59:11

the way that we were was as you with mark pressing

59:14

the that he was be you know there was

59:16

that he couldn't he couldn't keep up with that

59:18

plus go back and try to figure out the mess

59:20

it was made and i had finally he was like

59:22

with no quite which what as

59:24

appeared to me to be no

59:26

client in our a you know helping him

59:29

or control he was just like not mouth

59:31

sores this biscuits

59:33

do another thing about bird sort of rain

59:35

all dynamic is that like you

59:37

know in as a way that reeves are inherited

59:40

a lot of this rain all did as well

59:43

but he he probably was the least

59:45

lucky of all them because he was caught

59:47

the hot potato and

59:50

as the avoiders shit but

59:52

the lawyers progressed and you

59:54

know bad behavior kept happening

59:56

you were of the mind

59:59

of it like sanctioning the lawyer

1:00:01

is maybe something that also

1:00:03

should be are as opposed to just sanctioning

1:00:06

alex right and that is

1:00:08

my understanding wasn't really the case

1:00:10

with some of the earlier lawyers who

1:00:12

behaved poorly as the rain all

1:00:14

kind of got a little bit of the shaft there

1:00:16

is an that's because you're a we

1:00:18

truly and i will say this anyone who

1:00:20

are from we net we press

1:00:23

sanctions against lawyers with we just

1:00:25

don't the way the

1:00:27

lawyer unless we can clearly

1:00:29

see that the coin had nothing to do

1:00:32

with this it was purely lawyer

1:00:34

do i get you know there's an there's been very

1:00:36

instances of the the but

1:00:39

yeah that point we was kind

1:00:41

of feather

1:00:42

barrett that is that

1:00:43

the into there weren't that many instances of

1:00:46

purely lawyer or like without

1:00:48

right as i mean even some of our even some

1:00:50

of regionals cross examination

1:00:53

i really could hear

1:00:55

the voice of alex an info wars

1:00:57

behind it like a we need to ask

1:00:59

these questions coming to the ones that

1:01:01

are going to or the how i apologize absolutely

1:01:03

no there and he started whispering

1:01:05

and right the ear in the middle of isn't

1:01:08

going to my life mustachioed

1:01:11

business of drones out in an emergency

1:01:14

hearing about your record

1:01:17

that had should not have it's him and he's over

1:01:19

there just but not very

1:01:21

nice her she had a pedophile that interest

1:01:23

in the death as much as

1:01:27

, will fall pedophiles moving

1:01:30

clear pseudonyms there's lingering

1:01:32

questions but moving feel like we can the

1:01:35

address a little bit more now they're

1:01:37

gandhi's is over they'd

1:01:39

one of them surrounded be

1:01:41

of my in

1:01:44

the deposition i'm

1:01:46

down for that pick one of the questions

1:01:48

that we have not really been able to answer was

1:01:51

the question of whether or not they recognize

1:01:53

to make me i'm and

1:01:55

part of the reason for this was because they didn't

1:01:58

intel read the plan scripts exactly

1:02:01

correct i met this was something that i knew

1:02:03

that we couldn't talk about but do you want to say

1:02:05

or do you want to explain that little acid

1:02:07

of their the here is as or look

1:02:10

at this is a drama bit this

1:02:12

as was i had made it wonderful

1:02:15

so it and mood we were speaking about because

1:02:17

we always are are we had

1:02:19

a mega read of and

1:02:21

sound mean smart we

1:02:24

have the ability to bring experts it has

1:02:26

finer consulting and the depositions are

1:02:28

they have to sign a protective order and so

1:02:31

we adapt worse

1:02:33

and we brought that with other

1:02:35

documents that we were given to brad reefs

1:02:38

and as we are certain deposition he was

1:02:40

just too busy to understand care

1:02:42

to and like look too closely

1:02:44

there we got the acknowledgement of the

1:02:46

piano and he's got some of these other documents isn't

1:02:48

like now mister googling understand

1:02:50

freezing guys and in and

1:02:52

your i mean domina a brad the snow

1:02:54

at all these not plugged into this it all

1:02:57

themselves into seen he's not i mean

1:02:59

their idea i gave him a of good advice

1:03:03

jones in reckon as reckon as and

1:03:05

and so it was renounces

1:03:08

my daughter for alex's yes yes

1:03:10

sir alex he was an hour energy already came on

1:03:12

the saturday you were there for the appear on earlier

1:03:15

yeah so renouncing was in room to and he doesn't like

1:03:18

nobody knows who you are i guess so

1:03:20

they just assumed he was normal everyday work day

1:03:22

expert in there i'll be a you know

1:03:24

a little bohemian looking but like heavily

1:03:26

bearded but yeah god i got a haircut

1:03:29

you know

1:03:31

the craft brewery of experts

1:03:35

not , ah i will admit that we

1:03:37

are a very beard he from

1:03:39

as a law firms guess we're concerned

1:03:41

the and be that's my that's my wife laughing in the background

1:03:43

of that and yes

1:03:46

so i think he does kind of sit kind and a weird really he

1:03:48

says okay this is esther beauty like

1:03:50

all this going on here nut know red flag

1:03:52

scoffs what would they give transcript back

1:03:55

on the first page of the transcript is transcript list a rose

1:03:57

from that position so says the of reason

1:03:59

and they were like

1:03:59

well it's figure out who this guy is and then they

1:04:02

do with you in there that what the hell

1:04:04

he actually tried to insinuate

1:04:07

that this that this violation of the protective order in some way

1:04:09

i'm because i don't like

1:04:12

task or bio yeah yeah basically

1:04:14

like he's a podcaster what's

1:04:16

it like it was very like whatever

1:04:18

and so we just you know like we didn't even have to

1:04:21

buy this buy this let me how to respond to what

1:04:23

we did final briefing like with like yeah

1:04:25

look at the times article use the expert we need

1:04:27

him knows worry about does anybody and

1:04:29

like the entire thing that

1:04:31

they were arguing along his mother stuff just collapsed

1:04:34

in their face during that period of jacqueline lot and

1:04:36

it became the to the average the although motion and

1:04:38

like out sorry you had to retire inglewood

1:04:40

even it yeah the wasn't until

1:04:42

they found out and they were the yeah they were seemed about

1:04:44

it they did not like that

1:04:46

i think that directive i mean look you

1:04:48

don't know if that was a lawyer strategy move to try and do

1:04:50

that at that particular time or if that came down from

1:04:52

joseph of i got it caster

1:04:54

can lead to put a marina like yeah i

1:04:56

know what it was with they weren't happy about

1:04:58

it is but it's piece of information

1:05:00

that i've long wanted to add to the alex

1:05:03

know damn well who we are pie i

1:05:05

have you know mister though that like it's

1:05:07

it's something that went court of

1:05:10

recognizing who we are i

1:05:12

so you know who we are according

1:05:15

to the yeah it's yeah

1:05:17

and i wanna wanna what's going on now yeah

1:05:19

media would have you got underway

1:05:21

yeah we were

1:05:26

, to hang that up on the law that goes in the

1:05:28

podcast studio is is decision

1:05:31

on your on your knowledge my business cards and letterhead

1:05:33

are also consulting also i'm

1:05:36

a consultant for emotions in a brief

1:05:39

someone versed in bird laws so

1:05:43

are the other things what are to touch on and get

1:05:45

to we have like boom protracted

1:05:48

most of the case like is

1:05:50

all frustration constant

1:05:52

roadblocks everything and

1:05:54

then get to the case

1:05:57

and i don't know what your experiences like this

1:05:59

we're gonna want to the little bit more about was that

1:06:01

like even the process

1:06:03

of the trial was

1:06:06

a sense of pretending that it wasn't

1:06:08

a damages hearing that it

1:06:10

was actually an innocence

1:06:13

or guilt i kind of trial

1:06:16

it was that to that he'll like an extension

1:06:19

of all of the bullshit like a

1:06:21

coming into the trial itself

1:06:23

well adjusted i mean he was and here's

1:06:25

the thing is is i

1:06:27

don't have your say that that and that it felt that way from

1:06:29

the defense for example because they kept pushing

1:06:31

that sort of issue on my hoodie all

1:06:33

over so now when i met that was

1:06:36

that was semi invited by us in a

1:06:38

way because because by the way we were put

1:06:40

on the putative case we were kind of making it

1:06:42

that against raising we did a lot of

1:06:44

heavy focus on just bad their conduct was

1:06:47

because that's what determines the amounts of feeder

1:06:49

to damned thread is how reddit works survey

1:06:51

exact same evidence that would

1:06:54

have shown show that they liable some

1:06:56

rare exceptions of something sweet enough to prove

1:06:59

by prem fish others like whether they published issue

1:07:01

like that so i know that other evidence

1:07:03

would have been the same in the in a regular

1:07:05

tried this before hadn't and that i would

1:07:07

look largely the same ryan

1:07:09

and so because we were the ones you cast

1:07:12

it is that because obviously you want

1:07:14

to front loaders punitive damages

1:07:16

you want that to be the thing you have the jury to be thinking

1:07:18

about so that whenever you're convinced stories are you get

1:07:20

a boost of saw then even more

1:07:22

importantly to consider ah

1:07:25

five years they have pushed this faq

1:07:27

pushed to this back and at any point in

1:07:29

time if they just said fuck it

1:07:31

we quit you when will what

1:07:33

we need to pay tax messages so

1:07:35

come out i know how i

1:07:38

feel it is they know really shot

1:07:40

themselves the foot the other are some

1:07:42

him

1:07:43

they're gonna they're gonna end up own you notice

1:07:45

judgment that we have it is our as

1:07:47

hey these playoffs early on

1:07:50

i just brought the zoo jones would

1:07:52

come to him with with an amount of money or

1:07:54

below the started

1:07:55

them and had done sincere apology

1:07:58

employed know what to say sandy hook begin with the nurse

1:08:00

i think they will taken it back entirely

1:08:03

either grounds in my singer yeah we would soldier

1:08:06

own as i do , later

1:08:08

on these kind of of

1:08:11

show kind of offers of

1:08:13

yeah of a settlement

1:08:16

the you know like a yeah alyson adding

1:08:18

that is the only thing that ever became official in

1:08:20

terms of settlement offer is isn't

1:08:22

they wanted to him five apiece five hundred

1:08:24

thousand of you see his arm and and that's like

1:08:27

with the tracy scarf and that know that cancer and

1:08:29

that was so easy to turn down and then when we

1:08:31

ultimately collected more than that after

1:08:33

they made the settlement just out sanctions we just we

1:08:35

just be am and so

1:08:38

i told amount of the time when they were offering me i'm

1:08:40

like you're paying me with my own coin i'm gonna take

1:08:42

that more don't even think the your i'm that

1:08:44

kind of thing for me and thing and that was at

1:08:46

a which i wouldn't even sure we're going to collect much

1:08:48

more than those sanctions rather employers my be

1:08:50

a total empty shell but

1:08:53

but now we no longer hours allow see

1:08:55

as a for sure exactly who didn't

1:08:57

realize now that early now they own the

1:08:59

ip an adolescent

1:09:02

or we look look at our briefing about the about the bad

1:09:05

faith of the bankruptcy why we're seeking takes to

1:09:07

get some of those attorneys is disrupt that soupy

1:09:09

told us it for wars else he has absolutely nothing

1:09:11

there's nothing there's no assets know anything and

1:09:13

then me nasuwt them or hits and

1:09:15

his we out later the schedules oh

1:09:18

no they they they own the intellectual property

1:09:20

for enforce that is not an intellectual

1:09:22

property is worthless yeah yeah that

1:09:24

would either jamming i would be an interesting argument

1:09:27

that's true i'd

1:09:29

for it i take

1:09:32

a bipartisan tickets on percent and i'm

1:09:34

not joking if you were to shut down in boars

1:09:36

as new and take it from jones and jones

1:09:39

can never use the word in for was at all you could

1:09:41

launch a new website called in for

1:09:43

worse that is with independent

1:09:45

media criticism that doesn't really well

1:09:47

and really rights and you the novelty

1:09:50

of relaunching wars

1:09:52

that has been stolen from jones and relaunched

1:09:54

as a growing much as i can

1:09:56

write describing

1:09:59

the absolute most movie

1:10:02

as dumb plot that we have a

1:10:04

part of own are worth of

1:10:06

if we are suddenly just walk the

1:10:08

info war studio the movie cuts out

1:10:10

that ali and as a movie right leoni were

1:10:13

fours now we have to talk seriously about

1:10:15

this we have some friends

1:10:17

on the cognitive dissonance podcasts

1:10:19

and we that long discussions about how we need that

1:10:21

that we need alex of get hurt the

1:10:24

animal suffering i already called dibs

1:10:27

able , walk into my room in my

1:10:29

office to see that we're having flags

1:10:31

them how to win over

1:10:35

one hundred dollar bills manga

1:10:37

want it was the desk the document camera but

1:10:39

as an apology i

1:10:41

will term and due to a game of poker

1:10:44

for a decision

1:10:46

, did we were when we were thinking going

1:10:48

to start seizing assets as like the desk is and

1:10:51

others like house very specific

1:10:54

specific in i'll be a water desk but

1:10:56

but real in reality i don't know if who

1:10:58

would sit near know we would be able to get

1:11:01

it would be a pyrrhic victory for me to

1:11:03

get the desk it would sit by we'd have to

1:11:05

remove or a window and like when sit in

1:11:07

sit i was the skulls

1:11:10

and puts us on the best

1:11:12

every i wanted to have deliberately gathers

1:11:14

deliberately mean i want all of his

1:11:16

guns and i'm given them to them homeless

1:11:18

my family we

1:11:22

, don't to expand on that

1:11:25

theory that were thinking about

1:11:27

doing second vivid saviors

1:11:29

illegally ravaging opinion on

1:11:32

the line is let homeless

1:11:34

people exercise or second month that was downtown

1:11:37

houston and start handing out a ours

1:11:40

houston homeless people handing was either from

1:11:42

what about physicists where here is

1:11:44

dangerous always now you're for backroom

1:11:46

such now here like with when wouldn't like

1:11:48

suddenly now you know that you did all these like business

1:11:51

conservative bro bro good idea be

1:11:53

given our goods though some a certain people

1:11:56

should have gone how he said he when i'd weird

1:11:58

hour or more and he want the

1:12:00

steel can have guns is that what you're telling

1:12:02

me knowing nothing anybody

1:12:05

can if you don't have a

1:12:07

place to live stay billie

1:12:09

you might not need a beret towel

1:12:12

or tmx i am i going to my

1:12:14

repeated every , when i do

1:12:16

agree nor i paired off off

1:12:18

today you have a bear it then you can

1:12:21

get a place to stay pretty quickly have squatters

1:12:23

reduce accidents are out of my my

1:12:25

do need to interject that these views that

1:12:27

mark banks in this expressing are not abuse affair

1:12:29

and bob your bob i got

1:12:31

it to see has mortgage interest

1:12:34

, boards actually robbie

1:12:37

burns yelling about and now out in full

1:12:39

and mostly tequila thing trying

1:12:44

, a revolution it's electric

1:12:47

on math and he's trying to start on revolution

1:12:50

imagine what do

1:12:52

we have to go at

1:12:55

it another thing that that kind of over

1:12:58

including our heads including that moment

1:13:00

daria honesty and brought up fast

1:13:02

and furious

1:13:03

the more have over center and

1:13:05

furious the i a gun right

1:13:08

through it

1:13:10

i was in it was on friday and i was

1:13:12

driving back to houston to i went home

1:13:14

to see my son for the weekend and

1:13:17

i called marginal

1:13:19

eric holder

1:13:21

the into a he also appointed

1:13:23

rain hall

1:13:25

who the department of justice i think it laredo

1:13:27

of was that the same time

1:13:29

period know like oh my god we do this

1:13:31

or do that is very low your

1:13:34

lawyer was involved your

1:13:36

turn around and me like excuse me

1:13:38

like say rain all

1:13:40

what time did you work for eric holder

1:13:43

places as , that

1:13:46

that didn't have any moment in the moment there's

1:13:48

so much of a non soon around

1:13:50

yeah and or be too hard to pull up a wikipedia

1:13:52

article lawyer for for her

1:13:57

, that they made a bit

1:13:59

of miscalculation

1:14:02

allowing her superstar beat corp

1:14:04

representative in and testify because i think that

1:14:07

exposed her to more of the i

1:14:09

don't think that image was good no

1:14:12

good no didn't have a choice marks opinion

1:14:14

yeah that's the way it was a total

1:14:17

choice are subpoenaed or and pointer

1:14:19

as the corporate representative you

1:14:21

probably wouldn't have had her on the radar

1:14:25

subpoena do rubber due to

1:14:27

a trial was well and they suddenly

1:14:29

claimed oh we don't control him anymore he's not

1:14:32

i know employee number when arkansas'

1:14:34

what national right up ass on the other

1:14:36

day alex was trying to get that clip

1:14:38

from a and he said

1:14:40

do has had on his computer not

1:14:42

another means he's still worse marital they

1:14:44

are yeah i think his work and from homes what's going on

1:14:47

that he doesn't eat but still some contracting

1:14:49

them a mere as well as the wrong without

1:14:51

him a theory that he's been dead for like

1:14:53

a marks yep the know it's i definitely

1:14:55

know because he he played a bunch of games of my process

1:14:58

server and set him up to meet him somewhere and disappeared

1:15:00

and my to cop out of in the i

1:15:02

when i have anything i was waiting for

1:15:04

you to say cause i i can see bills gotta

1:15:07

gamer waited for you to be he's

1:15:09

playing a games the call of with bill the

1:15:11

other night i had an that

1:15:14

would reveal it's weird

1:15:16

they said they didn't control them and and and

1:15:18

this is back in march and then like of years later

1:15:20

all by no mass of the they hadn't

1:15:22

signed as one hundred percent equity

1:15:25

holder of enforce our side of

1:15:27

birds of prey grabs the documents i'm exist as bad

1:15:29

lot of under the nurses rough with

1:15:31

it was weird i thought each of athena

1:15:34

boards witnesses their own weird vibe or

1:15:36

trial that the first one daria

1:15:38

was like the that had theme

1:15:40

of like the sky own rhetoric of a cia

1:15:42

black site interrogation and then

1:15:45

when had the the theme of have

1:15:47

a father who was finally done

1:15:49

with his dumb frat boys son shit and

1:15:51

just has caught him for the last time on everything

1:15:54

then the jones thing was just on another planet

1:15:56

like a really wish people keep compared it's

1:15:58

you i'm

1:15:59

and phoenix wright ace attorney

1:16:02

the video yeah with the lawyers and they do

1:16:04

that sound effects or was he

1:16:06

upset about every path every

1:16:08

much ace attorney shit and shit was it mean it

1:16:10

was like alone when i'm on the over had all these

1:16:12

weird these different vibes you're with as

1:16:15

to go back to are you want and she puts

1:16:17

and shiver down my spine i don't know

1:16:19

much about her but her reactions to

1:16:21

some of these questions emotional really bothered me

1:16:23

and think she really set the tone

1:16:25

for the dropdown moment that moment at the

1:16:27

end of her testimony whenever she's

1:16:29

trapped fully in

1:16:31

either in either a yes or no i

1:16:34

mean i know or not question

1:16:36

in a does it mean even if even though question

1:16:38

doesn't really matter because it really boils down

1:16:41

to you the answers are you to

1:16:43

that the only have it in use

1:16:45

and then tried not to i swear

1:16:47

i saw as she time i'm mumble and

1:16:49

then finally susie like vs

1:16:52

, your lie i can't believe you i

1:16:54

really can't believe you're a person yeah i give

1:16:57

us crazy on the scarlets

1:16:59

testimony burping of this whole

1:17:01

experience being in the room room

1:17:04

the superbowl picks are questioning yeah

1:17:06

opposition itself will live

1:17:08

on in my memory is one of the more visceral

1:17:11

things that i've i've felt like it was

1:17:14

oh i don't know how we kept it together

1:17:16

as about him the room like of

1:17:18

just like the you gasp that i

1:17:20

almost bled out of that's just what now

1:17:23

what is it is you're sitting by the sides

1:17:25

you're having a process it emotional x mean

1:17:27

the moment i am completely by to

1:17:29

one absolute revulsion in at

1:17:32

her but that is so tempered

1:17:34

input to the back seat by the fact

1:17:36

that i know that i have just accomplish something phenomenal

1:17:38

from class i've just been there were

1:17:41

so what need to accomplish in a fist

1:17:43

pump for in her face you can be like

1:17:45

this my nails him for me it the

1:17:47

the discussed and all that but also just surprise

1:17:50

of like that is where your mind

1:17:53

what yeah those hats

1:17:55

that

1:17:57

like that something you might say

1:18:00

if you're trying to come up with an excuse

1:18:02

the i wouldn't stop yourself you do like

1:18:04

there's no as i get away with the hacker get away

1:18:06

with saturday night of your own business two

1:18:08

months yeah that's nuts

1:18:11

and i think about all the people worldwide who saw

1:18:14

that superbowl picture for the first time in trial

1:18:16

the out and they will i'm i'm hoping that was

1:18:18

the go with story is to get you to understand

1:18:20

this wasn't just him saying sandy hook us fake

1:18:22

a few times like this was something much more

1:18:24

people send our and so overhaul sansa

1:18:27

that such an important point that

1:18:29

like the notion that it's like you got something

1:18:31

wrong and he said a few things is so

1:18:34

false yeah there's of bit based

1:18:36

on be information it's presented people

1:18:38

care to take the time to look at it there

1:18:41

is a conscious

1:18:43

negligence there is

1:18:45

a willingness to platform

1:18:47

and fund raise

1:18:50

for people who are acting maliciously

1:18:52

and harassing these are these there's

1:18:54

so much more than just like the

1:18:56

, on this story our whatever

1:18:59

you know like at something anything more

1:19:01

people need to recognize we

1:19:03

were we were asked kind of an interesting

1:19:05

question today stelter

1:19:07

i yeah advice really

1:19:10

a boil down to like i'm used

1:19:12

to hunt seven hundred and ten episodes how

1:19:15

can we like learn anything about this in it's

1:19:17

like we're on here for six minute

1:19:21

if we were able to explain anything

1:19:23

to you then why would we do seven

1:19:26

hundred and ten episodes and us

1:19:28

out at a certain kind of of the third ideas

1:19:30

that that will have anything to say have any

1:19:32

value to you in this wife's that's almost a repudiation

1:19:35

of everything we've ever done get out

1:19:37

right yeah also the

1:19:39

it a little dirty for selter to put our business

1:19:41

on the streets yeah wow audiences they

1:19:43

put out of seven hundred of embarrassing

1:19:46

that's not happy mobile yeah that's

1:19:48

not a proud we it i parents are was

1:19:51

absolutely the company's

1:19:53

daughter come on a successor

1:19:56

so what are what other sports do you

1:19:58

your head before we the very

1:20:00

rare buttons on our i want to get your perspectives

1:20:03

on on just like what are you

1:20:05

take away his there that you want to

1:20:07

make sure people know like what are your thoughts

1:20:09

go

1:20:12

to my name is no no i don't know

1:20:14

, they are the ones you

1:20:16

have been polite towards other like know you guy

1:20:18

asks you the site shudder

1:20:22

we're the the

1:20:24

one thing i will say is that when you when

1:20:26

you go through try you get close to clients you

1:20:28

don't have a choice your with him every day and

1:20:31

talk with him industry get to really them

1:20:34

as people and the more and more

1:20:36

that met neil and scarlett you

1:20:39

know at times i would kill a times you get

1:20:41

frustrated for certain things that i'm not

1:20:43

going to you is , bad

1:20:45

but just because of course some of the some of the

1:20:47

surrounding circumstances that we're going on outside

1:20:49

of us in the case that we're going on during the trial

1:20:53

but i will say that day it

1:20:56

was there's

1:20:58

that's the realness feeling whenever they both

1:21:01

took the stand and they told their stores a completely

1:21:03

ways and i think when that happened

1:21:06

you know didn't have and so they fall hello

1:21:09

everybody had heard this is

1:21:11

ridiculous missing craziness there was all

1:21:13

these of just witnesses

1:21:16

getting bloodied and over again

1:21:18

and then office and they took they stand the

1:21:20

stand mood shifted a little bit and now

1:21:22

even for me and i know for

1:21:24

be icing all of us we we talked

1:21:26

about it more when that moment head kind

1:21:30

got me back on track of like

1:21:33

this is what let's go like

1:21:35

this up for real because of this

1:21:38

as fun as those moments can be professionally

1:21:40

when it when you hear from the person

1:21:42

that you represent our how it actually

1:21:45

affects some it it empowers youtube

1:21:47

really you know put your foot

1:21:49

down on the throttle in throttle in you

1:21:51

can see that that's kind of what happened i'm

1:21:54

because after that it was just

1:21:56

like a bunch of surgeons in a

1:21:58

operating room just

1:21:59

i think down and

1:22:02

in guy got put back together

1:22:04

there's something that so kind

1:22:07

of bizarre to me and i have

1:22:09

a perception of lawyers in

1:22:11

general that is so

1:22:14

original entirely favorable could

1:22:17

do something of a buddy a nice

1:22:19

an affair first i think layers

1:22:21

you guys i've met you i spent

1:22:23

time with you and it seems like you have such

1:22:25

a ability or willingness

1:22:28

to connect with your clients

1:22:30

you know be at the scarlet

1:22:32

, or marcel you know there's

1:22:34

there's a terror that you have about

1:22:37

your clients themselves outside

1:22:39

of the context of it being your

1:22:42

and the case you know the the

1:22:44

the sort of cut and dry nature of the case and

1:22:47

it's one of the things that particularly offends

1:22:49

me i guess maybe

1:22:51

it's me taking something personally that i don't

1:22:53

need to but about when alex describes

1:22:56

you guys as like ambulance

1:22:58

chaser have and and this to

1:23:00

know how much you all do actually

1:23:02

care it it adds an

1:23:05

extra layer to do that i

1:23:07

think is is undeserved

1:23:10

and i mean obviously yeah

1:23:13

not all about you've houseboats there

1:23:15

is an angle of that that that sucks yeah

1:23:17

you're right about how as you are talking about

1:23:19

how nice our fans have been to you and

1:23:21

all that stuff and i tell you this

1:23:23

they are not nice because you're

1:23:27

good if if you were it's worth

1:23:29

being nice to our fans are very very

1:23:31

good at discerning whether or not the say

1:23:34

who gives a shit about these guys are you not

1:23:36

aware but

1:23:38

yeah martin i don't like other attorneys

1:23:40

we a we wait other plane of satanic

1:23:43

videos simpson hours

1:23:45

later concerns you really you're

1:23:47

your your your view on us isn't

1:23:49

a the necessarily wrong

1:23:52

i would say that we're the minority but

1:23:54

it's not as big of a my know

1:23:57

it's not as a small the minorities you think

1:23:59

there

1:23:59

lot of a plaintiffs' attorneys that

1:24:02

do purse wintery work out there truly

1:24:04

do do it for the right reasons and then the right ways

1:24:07

arm but if you're out and fat imo

1:24:09

get by yet you get

1:24:11

his it's huge it's overshadowed by

1:24:13

that you know some attorneys a push certain limits that

1:24:15

they shouldn't have done things that they should have and

1:24:18

and that's always gonna happen in a profession but yeah

1:24:20

i i mean when you

1:24:22

guys have west and taiwan don't tell you

1:24:24

i mean they have a decades where the stories before

1:24:26

my do you know they

1:24:28

referred you know they say they have clients

1:24:30

years and years later that are quadriplegic

1:24:33

that still text them and they still

1:24:35

you know they they check up on him in the keep of them

1:24:37

could you do care it's hard to when we

1:24:40

don't do is you know it's rare that you're going to go do

1:24:42

that case where somebody got rear in a school

1:24:44

zone and has you thirty dollars

1:24:46

for the chiropractic and you're take gonna problem

1:24:49

with we so if we're trying the case

1:24:51

it's significant and because of that

1:24:53

it's we try hard not to get too

1:24:55

emotionally invested

1:24:57

because it'll mess with our performance on

1:24:59

how would you are jar but if you today it's

1:25:01

impossible not to care about these people

1:25:03

because i there's been very few

1:25:05

people with any i can't think any of my head

1:25:07

that deserved what happened to them so

1:25:10

right don't take for what it's worth

1:25:12

i'll say that i hope

1:25:15

that we did you know your reno attackers as plaintiffs'

1:25:17

lawyers oyster in the truck and

1:25:19

when i hope that for the people do

1:25:21

who do well we have hopefully

1:25:24

outdoor that reputation because

1:25:26

, be i that a lot of people to professional

1:25:28

by the themselves to even treat their clients

1:25:31

adversarial there another person they're trying to get from

1:25:33

it's it's say this fandom up on it's

1:25:36

an at another point us will consult so

1:25:38

i don't know how he does have is fine as but know he

1:25:40

in other some we just do mercenary the all the

1:25:42

aisle but i've always said i've i've i've never

1:25:45

never be clients have been paid me up front

1:25:47

and any case you ever done of always taking money from

1:25:49

some bad person or evil corporation and given

1:25:51

it to them i you know

1:25:53

i the growing up i indeed

1:25:55

be either robin hood or black beard and

1:25:58

i got i got to be imposed

1:25:59

that's really what i dance i feel i'm of

1:26:02

those things and and it's been

1:26:04

it's been really rewarding have all of the

1:26:07

the accolades all the server mcconnell what has been good

1:26:09

it's been really nice and i was getting a lot of

1:26:11

that i got home then i got

1:26:13

home

1:26:14

and i walked in door and and and

1:26:16

my son been comes up to me and he's

1:26:18

he's getting close to eight now when ,

1:26:20

first of these cases you assists and

1:26:23

he was you know same age of these kids when they

1:26:25

die and t

1:26:27

was born on the same day as know thousand his

1:26:30

his first birthday as know his first birthday

1:26:32

that he wasn't around was enjoying thirteen the first

1:26:35

probably know how i neurons and

1:26:38

been as as duck that scarlet gave

1:26:40

that's as the jesse louis love on is

1:26:42

t shirt that is just the dock and

1:26:44

he loves that little jesse doc like and bullies n

1:26:47

n he knows a little bit he knows enough what

1:26:50

happened to what i'm up there do that is

1:26:52

horrible thing happened these parents and they lost their

1:26:54

little voice and there's a man who's just been

1:26:56

awful them in just tormenting the monkey

1:26:58

understands that and when i came

1:27:00

through the door he just came

1:27:02

bounding up to me and it's like a look

1:27:04

of just pleasure in his eyes of daddy's back from

1:27:06

his trial ties back resort grab me around and

1:27:09

every damn thing from last two weeks

1:27:11

melted off of me like like snow

1:27:13

in i'm enough of it

1:27:15

this game all off of me and like

1:27:17

everything i was thinking of all these outside influences

1:27:19

in just the focus of that little boy hugging me

1:27:21

a

1:27:23

they broke me a dot i got up at night

1:27:25

were just just stopped for a minute and and

1:27:28

thought about were all this lad and it was as dot

1:27:31

was more important to me than any other things people

1:27:33

were saying about yeah about yeah i can feel

1:27:35

proud of myself to him if

1:27:37

i had to come home in shame is that help

1:27:39

these people man down to

1:27:41

been tough so given

1:27:43

given this moment to the world where they all got this

1:27:46

were john scott is t kicked in in the middle the courtroom

1:27:48

a love it i'm so happy that people

1:27:50

have that for years to to make means of relic

1:27:52

all that family of first my

1:27:54

son it one order trial by

1:27:56

jury was still on the do an episode they

1:27:59

have you you know my only one

1:28:01

of the i don't know that one of the

1:28:03

writers for law and order did a tweet

1:28:05

that was i if i would have

1:28:07

written a script based on going

1:28:09

on the alex trial will be

1:28:12

immediately been fired from that conference

1:28:14

room because there's no fucking way

1:28:16

that i would ever going to happen to realize you

1:28:19

stuff to headed off

1:28:21

that i type of stuff that only met with the real

1:28:23

life will to quit our own truth is stranger

1:28:25

than fiction no food so

1:28:28

he got bit by his own mindset catchphrase

1:28:31

, day after listening

1:28:34

you saw during that cross that

1:28:36

we have that we for the dramatic we want to make

1:28:38

this like a with their to do this we

1:28:40

want to give you that story we want

1:28:42

because we know the power that has to counteract

1:28:44

and and i'll just tell you we got we are sequels

1:28:47

commoner

1:28:47

why do i

1:28:50

agree please send it out as much as men

1:28:52

before we do i think is it to be

1:28:54

clear you're not using this

1:28:56

like theatricality and narrative

1:28:59

stuff in any dishonest way and i honestly

1:29:01

think that it's one of the reasons

1:29:04

it's potent against alex

1:29:06

absolutely that's one of his big tools

1:29:09

is using things that are dishonest

1:29:12

manipulative in a theatrical

1:29:14

narrative a based way death and

1:29:16

if so powerful against him to use

1:29:18

things that are real truthful

1:29:21

in the same the i was there

1:29:23

much with no magical realism

1:29:25

we're we're from this is rise universe

1:29:27

this is this is about the potency

1:29:29

of a true american story that's

1:29:32

not magical realism but he may be facing

1:29:34

a hundred years of solitude spare

1:29:37

, the only magical feel feel

1:29:40

crazy ride out what's got a got

1:29:44

were asked us

1:29:46

who are

1:29:48

yeah with that said i am checking

1:29:50

out from social

1:29:53

, the news media

1:29:55

for few days leaving now

1:29:58

my sugar mama take me archer from

1:29:59

the

1:30:00

right a little bit more get away

1:30:02

from my all the noise your own are

1:30:05

just indeed marsh now gets

1:30:07

to do all that while i'm rapping

1:30:10

, he's one that everybody wants

1:30:12

talk to each other itself now somehow

1:30:15

auto dealer

1:30:17

your audience and enemy be old by the

1:30:19

time and his heirs around know when you put this out or whatever

1:30:21

them are i out a lot of americans

1:30:24

i'd i'd be ,

1:30:26

if is yakuza someone tomorrow i'm i'm

1:30:28

i got corporate media invites i'm probably going

1:30:30

to be doing some of them tomorrow

1:30:32

night monday night go check

1:30:34

out the young turks i'm going to do my first

1:30:37

appearance talking about some of the sun video

1:30:39

with young turks talk an anna

1:30:41

not to let you carry of and i'm

1:30:43

sure that are you know or

1:30:45

walks are very enterprising people

1:30:47

and i'm sure every single appearance you

1:30:49

make will make a post about a zero

1:30:52

sum it up in israeli border and

1:30:55

thank you well so much for taking time

1:30:57

like him most so you know immediate

1:30:59

aftermath i alternate to help with

1:31:01

us it it means you are the number one legal

1:31:04

podcast in the country now know how to

1:31:07

, to check and check it out

1:31:09

francisco or have we see

1:31:11

what for us us

1:31:13

i got poked

1:31:15

his head and economy and more easily it's

1:31:18

gonna be easily problem for them what some of them stuff

1:31:20

that happened on the show it would imagine

1:31:22

death or anything that barnes has touched

1:31:24

i imagine i have terrible problems in the near future

1:31:28

brigadier i guess i

1:31:30

don't know you have anything to plug does you lose

1:31:32

tuzla foundation people had apparently

1:31:34

on are now in the to bless i choose

1:31:36

love movement and that those two things are

1:31:39

they're both doing really good stuff

1:31:41

for for moving forward one on misinformation

1:31:44

and one on just teaching kids how to

1:31:46

stop hating each other every apps

1:31:48

amazing what bill enjoy your i

1:31:50

hope you i get all the the sun

1:31:53

and relaxation now you deserve and

1:31:55

mark the young

1:31:57

turks you

1:31:59

ever knock you down your door or

1:32:02

, been all famous over there same

1:32:04

phenomena well we'll talk soon

1:32:07

and i'm sure in the lead up to the pozner

1:32:09

trial if the bankruptcy doesn't all

1:32:11

right derail everything completely

1:32:14

will have some debriefing

1:32:16

to do there absolutely

1:32:18

absolutely i finally have a great

1:32:20

night i go from here and

1:32:22

the your on the you're controlling

1:32:26

wow it from a person color i'm a huge fan

1:32:29

and love you

1:32:29

the felony