André De Shields On Living With His Shadow

André De Shields On Living With His Shadow

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entity on the stage to.

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Mesmerize is people they wanna know why

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is this person moving?

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so monstrously slowly

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He must know something.

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They

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say that.

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In any money,

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him i would ask is that

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Though from w n y c about

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the things we think about a lot to.

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talk about

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Andrew The shields calls himself a

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professional charmer. For more

1:24

than fifty years, he's been performed. On states

1:26

including now in Hades Town on Broadway

1:29

he, seventy six The old and performs

1:32

eight shows each week.

1:45

Andre plays the role of Hermes,

1:47

he guys the me. Character through the story

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he's often cast involved like

1:52

this, he also played the all powerful

1:54

title character and.

1:55

The ways and. in realize

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andre has andre lot of the same characteristics

2:01

he commands the room.

2:02

The and is using with wisdom, a

2:04

lot of it gained through experience

2:06

as he told me from surprising

2:08

sexual coming of age story to

2:10

losing his partner and his

2:12

home. When he was an assist, these.

2:15

Andrea was in his studio apartment in

2:17

Manhattan, and when we talked of resume,

2:20

the wall behind him was painted a deep

2:22

red now.

2:23

The universe color my mom, please

2:25

tell me about the color of your because rapture

2:28

I wanted you to see me again.

2:32

My aura cuz sometimes

2:34

people look at one another and

2:36

they don't see beyond the

2:38

melanin or lack thereof in

2:41

the individual. With each of us has

2:44

an aura. You

2:46

can't really see the aura

2:48

because it's in the. You respect

2:51

from that ultraviolet spectrum but,

2:55

i'd like to think That

2:57

when we have this conversation. The

3:00

popped into my spirits there.

3:02

it is behind me How long

3:04

has that while been painted that color?

3:06

Nineteen,

3:08

ninety seven. Then he moved in.

3:13

Andrew Live in a complex called Manhattan Plaza,

3:16

where around seventy percent of residents

3:18

are performing artists, it's just blocks

3:20

away from the theater district, but when

3:22

it was built in the nineteen Seventies, the

3:24

area was not yet considered does. The rubble

3:27

and it sat mostly empty.

3:29

And then?

3:30

The actors, fun and other

3:32

organizations that serve

3:35

those of us in the arts community.

3:37

So an

3:39

opportunity. To

3:42

build. The cooperatives.

3:46

For individuals who

3:48

as a sure, you know.

3:52

Or Prince's one day and poppers

3:54

the next. So

3:57

don't have to be some kind.

4:00

I'm. Bell curve

4:02

and which we could always know

4:04

that we had place to live.

4:08

And.

4:09

Does it fruit for you? How does it work? You

4:11

said the four people who are Prince's

4:13

one day and poppers the next does

4:15

your rent move on a sliding scale Yeah,

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you

4:20

make a lot money, you pay lot of Iran.

4:22

you make a little UK

4:24

and movements AH said the sales

4:27

are you feeling resentful? of

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your high rent bill Then.

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The resentful ness doesn't

4:35

exist in my life yet.

4:39

But I'm using that as an

4:41

indicator it.

4:42

Then.

4:46

And I have lived for these

4:48

twenty some twenty two

4:50

twenty five years in.

4:52

the studio apartment

4:55

I now know how

4:57

to live in a Russian egg now,

5:03

that's good information to at how to nestle

5:06

one thing into the

5:08

next because if

5:10

you look That my.

5:13

The public. The image. You

5:16

think oh wow this guy's you,

5:18

must be living spend different slick,

5:21

he has a beautiful jacket, on but

5:23

that's because of the Crown,

5:25

of Celebrity, which

5:28

is very upset

5:31

okay them and put, that as? right

5:33

now as so

5:37

it indicates to me that it's time for me

5:39

to move to another

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And

5:44

when the level?

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What's that mean concretely for you right now, how

5:47

are you thinking of that it means?

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Get a larger and good.

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Andre was raised by his mom and dad

5:58

in Baltimore along. Ten

6:00

brothers and sisters, his family,

6:02

it gave him a lot of nicknames, one

6:05

of them was.

6:06

Professor or write this was explained

6:08

to me. The I'm

6:10

understanding it in retrospect. But

6:13

as I am conversing with you now apparently.

6:17

i did that are As a

6:19

nine years since you've,

6:21

always spoken like that. yeah

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so and when i was

6:27

old enough to have a an adult conversation

6:29

with my mother

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I would say well why did

6:33

people call me Professor and.

6:35

she would say well One

6:38

day. went to the to

6:40

the door and there was a shopping

6:42

bags or. On the doorstep.

6:45

Then you were in the shopping that. I'm

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not sure that's your explanation of why

6:51

I am who am", she says, "Yes, because

6:53

we don't know where you came from Mississippi"

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Did it feel I'm in, you grew up in a large

7:00

family with many many? The brings idea.

7:03

They did it feel like you were.

7:05

The little different. The new your packets

7:07

of siblings. Yeah, I don't

7:09

different as a less your alien.

7:12

Get any help different I, also

7:15

felt fortunate

7:18

The can. There

7:20

were. In not

7:22

a dose ahead of me. Then

7:25

I could look at the way

7:28

they were living their lives and

7:30

learns a lesson quickly if

7:33

I don't want to be to happens

7:35

and don't do a. The

7:37

great privilege of being a younger sibling

7:39

in big sand. Exactly number nine

7:42

of eleven, I promise as lucky number

7:44

nine. What do you remember

7:46

noticing and thinking? hated

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that I'm not gonna.

7:52

The emulate that I wanna do it a little

7:54

bit differently.

7:57

No one before me chose education

7:59

as. The beacon. In

8:02

his or her life. One

8:04

nine shoes. Was

8:06

too quickly get out of the house.

8:10

The crowded.

8:12

The arena now, how does

8:14

it boys do that

8:16

The joining the armed forces are. How

8:19

did the girls do that by marrying

8:21

early?

8:24

How did Andrea decide to do it?

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The get an education.

8:33

When you think about? When

8:35

you left Baltimore? Did

8:37

you feel ready to leave?

8:39

I

8:41

certainly cells. Essentially

8:44

ready emotionally, wasn't

8:46

ready because when got to my first day of college

8:49

was, lonely as college

8:51

boy and don't world. and because

8:54

the first day of college If

8:57

parents day. Everyone

9:00

was there with their mother and father except

9:02

answering. There

9:05

was no money for that to happened

9:09

Then I wasn't emotionally

9:12

ready. was an intellectually

9:15

ready. Growing

9:17

up in what we then called the ghetto.

9:20

The slums the hood there,

9:23

in the most of the inner cities

9:27

The sharpest night in the draw in school.

9:30

In my teachers that all we.

9:33

need to take care of andre he's going to

9:35

be one of our bright stars

9:39

To go to M. I. T. is gonna be a biochemist

9:41

season.

9:43

Now.

9:46

The same time I knew was going to be

9:48

a bright sun. The

9:50

I meant in the sense of I'm gonna be

9:53

Sammy Davis Jr.

9:56

What was said about Sammy Davis Jr. for

9:58

us and eighteen year old that list? The appeal

10:00

and.

10:03

He did everything.

10:05

Currently he is probably

10:07

the greatest entertainer in the history

10:10

of the United States of America but,

10:13

for reasons like systemic racism

10:15

et cetera. he

10:17

did not get You

10:20

do. Now,

10:23

A. Later in life.

10:26

Not when I knew him personally but

10:28

didn't meet him and, he

10:30

dropped a wisdom bomb on me so i want

10:33

to hear it specifically for me

10:35

but he dropped it and it said okay

10:37

that's for me Sammy Davis

10:39

Jr. said every entertainer. That's

10:43

what he was an entertainer which

10:46

if you investigate

10:48

this image of the words if it.

10:51

means The to

10:53

hold the. Until.

10:56

You had delivered the information.

11:00

Isn't

11:03

that gorgeous? Gorgeous?

11:06

Yes, cuz it involve seduction,

11:08

so you can keep them engaged

11:10

absence

11:12

of abuse.

11:15

Right. So

11:17

here's what he said. Every Entertainer

11:19

signs to contracts one

11:22

with his employer. One

11:25

with his public. You

11:27

can always get another employer.

11:30

And just

11:32

as I did just now, my little Iseman.

11:34

be you. know

11:36

exactly the wisdom bomb. You're dropping on us.

11:39

With

11:42

that in person, when he heard him say that. that

11:45

we are met him.

11:46

It was a large social group.

11:49

i was on the The gym to.

11:51

get when you listen

11:54

Harder and growing up

11:56

in Baltimore, I was used to being with the edges

11:58

of just being marginalized to. The

12:00

edge of society. That's

12:04

what didn't allow to

12:07

defeat me. Now,

12:09

when say. The young

12:12

man, was the sharpest night in the jar.

12:17

When I went to. The

12:20

predominantly white college preparatory

12:23

high school. realize

12:26

how.

12:31

How inexperience as much as they have done

12:34

that would be? Being cruel to

12:36

myself, but how unknown

12:39

she bore I really was.

12:44

Because my. My

12:47

age group peers were

12:50

like.

12:52

Them or firecrackers because

12:54

they were to the man are born.

12:58

I was not to the man a born. Did

13:01

you allow yourself to ask for help?

13:05

At that time in your life, or did you want to

13:07

appear like you? Keeping

13:09

it.

13:10

I wanted to appear as if knew what

13:12

was doing didn't know how to ask

13:15

for. help i was stymied of

13:17

was done this in

13:19

to say says And

13:24

that's when my ability as

13:26

a professional charmer. Came

13:29

into play because,

13:31

i can turn my way In

13:34

or out or around any

13:36

situation. interesting

13:38

and then learn. The

13:42

appropriate to later.

13:45

Her is. entertaining is delivering

13:48

the information You're using your charm

13:50

to also consume the information

13:53

while no one deficits it says the Earth

13:55

as a so, so I entertain

13:58

tell the moment.

14:01

I do knew had whatever.

14:05

was necessary to deliver And

14:08

do it today, do it in a

14:10

the south.

14:14

Andre doesn't limit the use of his charm

14:16

to only professional situations

14:19

that also has helped him find his way.

14:20

In relationships like when he studied

14:23

abroad in Denmark as a college student

14:25

it. was the sixties the werber ray and

14:27

thought of himself as revolutionary and was

14:30

drawn to Those was to Europe.

14:32

The experience included a homestay,

14:34

we're Andre got close with his host family.

14:37

Very close. The lady of

14:39

the house. The roof.

14:42

Had arranged in.

14:44

the basement A single

14:46

room for me.

14:48

Regulating years my senior

14:51

and, nineteen a her

14:53

resist eighteen years my senior Entering

14:56

the prime of her. Then.

14:59

Dr. Maybe he. Entering

15:02

the prime of her cougars as ah and,

15:05

I'm entering the crime of being young

15:07

dumb and full of crap right here

15:09

both the in the prime of your drives are

15:11

right right, and,

15:14

returning ah In

15:18

my one room in the basement.

15:21

Now let me some

15:23

salacious. What

15:26

what our relationship did?

15:29

Was? We need me

15:32

to my cells. And

15:36

what?

15:37

Kind

15:41

of central isn't. And

15:44

sensory experiences.

15:49

Would make me off, sent it.

15:52

Any

15:55

was my relationship with Bruce?

15:58

That made me understand. And

16:00

I would prefer to love men. Not

16:04

because Bruce. Turned

16:06

me off. That

16:08

because. She said.

16:11

You can have whatever

16:14

you want. As

16:18

long as am part

16:21

of. what you design never

16:24

heard that is anywhere in the United States

16:26

of America in. the and i

16:29

says in there is binaries you are this

16:31

are you obsessed

16:34

And humor saying

16:36

to me. The all that you are.

16:40

Don't I'm part of it now,

16:46

You when I came to? the states

16:49

from my year abroad My

16:52

head was.

16:55

Did you stay in touch with Ruth? Until

16:58

she died in that oh you did

17:01

yeah.

17:02

So did you ever expressed to her what

17:05

what? it meant for you to

17:07

If her giving you permission yes,

17:10

ah, part of the get stomped

17:12

the my being a performing. activists

17:16

is to prepare for the writing of my

17:18

memoir Then

17:21

in the rough drafts.

17:23

The rough drafts. There

17:26

is a section called the book. Really.

17:31

And when I finished

17:34

the rough draft of the book of Ruth

17:37

I. sent it to her Then

17:39

wanted her to read it and

17:41

wanted her to say don't you dare rights

17:43

act or, Oh,

17:46

please write it. Of

17:48

course, a response we're was

17:51

our the world's to know about us.

17:56

Which is our attitude about? The

17:59

see. In me. It's

18:02

for our kids, a taboo. Her

18:05

life. The been told about

18:08

the threat to us. The

18:11

American Negro. Right?

18:15

His prowess and. These

18:18

hunger in his, you know what

18:20

I'm sorry, Anna, etc.

18:22

The

18:24

his inability to.

18:27

You and. Resist

18:31

white.

18:33

And

18:37

then she meets this area,

18:39

date, young. man

18:42

with an afro Speaking

18:47

meticulous, english

18:52

Well I, can say

18:54

this because atop the same thing,

18:57

she says your herself I'm on it is.

18:59

that I i said to

19:01

myself, I i want a piece of

19:03

that.

19:07

Coming up. Andre makes a

19:09

big move to follow his dream.

19:11

It was time. Go.

19:16

Touch myself on the precipice

19:19

of your disc, which is New York,

19:21

because if you can

19:22

make it there, you can make it, you know,

19:24

story anywhere.

19:34

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19:36

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19:37

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* y C n a sale. Andre

23:41

the shields monitor.

23:42

The award and twenty nine teen for his role

23:44

in Hades Town.

23:45

But he long been a part of Broadway history,

23:48

he originated the role of the with.

23:50

The on Broadway in nineteen seventy five

23:52

before he was thirty years old meet.

23:56

the with

24:05

That his first professional role in Chicago

24:08

right out of college.

24:09

Then, after he was in a sign, six simply

24:11

called "Warp", there was huge here. In

24:13

Chicago, so they brought it to New York.

24:16

Where it didn't have much success then

24:18

closed after few weeks when.

24:20

the cast and crew packed up the head back to

24:22

illinois andre decided to stay

24:25

and try to make it as an actor in new york it

24:27

was stir

24:27

I go at first, I don't have a

24:30

pot to piss in Orlando to throw it out

24:32

of. I know am

24:34

where need to be

24:37

going. to say here The

24:41

i did my. Roger as.

24:43

Crowd surfing and. Staying

24:46

with friends and you know you

24:49

take care of my cat and you can sleep on

24:51

the couch tonight, you know, yeah?

24:54

Greece end. That

24:56

ring and education or. The bracket.

24:59

You remember it fondly? Oh

25:02

yes, I do remember it fondly

25:04

because they were for women.

25:07

The My New. Who were working?

25:11

Who said, oh yeah? The

25:13

damn can't even see blackouts etc.

25:17

They cared for me. Shower

25:21

to honestly. The became

25:23

one of debt middle east are less. The

25:26

main'a read. read Who

25:29

ended up on to seven as

25:31

Rose? The wrestling

25:33

cares and. The became

25:36

like Randy Dactyl Tower the

25:38

latter in Paris

25:41

and, says way powell

25:44

Who ended up marrying an Englishman

25:46

in London having gone there

25:48

in West? end

25:51

us version of a to save and with me

25:53

sir That's

25:55

cool, those are the for women who who. The

25:58

current after me until. Then.

26:01

I had my legs.

26:03

The thing it, the thing is

26:05

this. Here's an over

26:07

use term. Existential

26:10

crisis. That's

26:12

good for you. The county

26:15

it. means you can learn from being

26:17

perched capriciously on the precipice

26:20

of the abyss

26:24

Because there's only one thing

26:26

to do. Yeah.

26:30

That's where all the information is, this

26:32

all the enlightenment is there's

26:34

no such thing as a bottomless pits. Enter

26:38

the darkness and if

26:40

you. Her since.

26:42

If

26:45

you will.

26:48

Be determined.

26:50

That you will be hardy if,

26:53

you have. sufficient stamina

26:56

You

26:58

will into the night.

27:02

You see where I'm wearing my collar can you see

27:04

that I do wonder?

27:07

if the yin yang figure It

27:09

looks like. Two. Spermatozoa

27:13

A.

27:16

It's true, it does your design.

27:21

In this case

27:23

one is white, one is black.

27:26

That you can do any dichotomy

27:28

of commerce what's? the says

27:30

is The seed

27:32

of darkness is in like the

27:34

see the for like is in darkness

27:37

and. You have to

27:39

learn. How to

27:41

live with your saddle? If

27:44

you're going to live at

27:46

all. You have to

27:48

live. Of

27:50

the time. Half

27:53

of the time, actually. Shadow.

28:00

We have we started by talking about your apartment

28:02

that you must into and nineteen ninety seven.

28:05

Then.

28:07

What was happening in your life and nineteen ninety

28:09

seven that prompted the move?

28:21

My life

28:24

partner had recently died.

28:26

And

28:31

because of the.

28:36

accompanying difficulties.

28:42

The deducted from the apartment be shared.

28:47

I

28:50

also. Experienced.

28:55

The inguinal hernia. And

28:58

it needed to be operated on.

29:03

And I was offered a gig in London.

29:06

This is all in the same season.

29:09

While I'm in London and need it. Where

29:12

did your belongings go? You

29:14

are away. The in holding.

29:19

Warehouse in the Bronx as

29:21

far away from where I was living as they

29:23

could do.

29:25

With them.

29:27

And where when I came back and wanted to

29:29

collect them, as handed the bills for

29:31

story. And this

29:34

is about.

29:35

Almost twenty five years ago, year of sister

29:37

year old man, when our members happening.

29:41

Nearly fifty. Him.

29:43

What did you do after you collected your belongings,

29:46

what did you do next?

29:47

Family

29:50

involves a month. I

29:53

as may come home. The

29:55

nature, of course, come home.

29:58

And this is. The exaggeration.

30:01

No sooner had I made the moved

30:04

to Baltimore and was no longer a resident

30:07

of New York at.

30:09

have offered The first

30:12

show, too. dominate

30:14

me for Tony and I was calm play on.

30:20

So you you're in Baltimore when you get

30:22

the offer? Yeah. Where

30:24

are you staying in your childhood home?

30:27

Yeah. The

30:29

a really was turnaround.

30:33

Do you think of that time as? The new were

30:36

moving through the. Start

30:38

now. Dealing

30:41

with my shadow. Imports.

30:43

Capriciously on the precipice of the abyss,

30:45

the universe putting his boost its

30:47

foot in my ass things come on

30:50

enough of this or, write your

30:52

partner died you've got a. Hernia, etc

30:55

These are our blessings with your name on it which are going

30:57

to do about it was going to do with this these

31:00

the. schools to use

31:03

Have a one mouse in is the bottom of the next.

31:07

Look up to.

31:09

Which

31:12

curiously Mike our judge gets

31:15

to say to was.

31:17

he is in the play When

31:20

he is stuff. Creative

31:22

writing a song that's the metaphor for

31:24

his life he's writing song

31:27

and as he realizes

31:29

it's stanza of the song it.

31:32

becomes as display

31:34

on the stage

31:37

That this

31:39

point it out. A

31:42

blank page.

31:45

And as I passed my say to him not.

31:48

up

31:51

These are just you know enemy is airing

31:53

it's a blank page hit.

31:56

him on the hits look up And

31:59

that. That's

32:01

how I understand that. That

32:04

moment of so. Many

32:08

discouraging events and my life.

32:13

One of those events was coming to

32:15

terms with his HIV. That is

32:17

status.

32:18

Landry was clinically diagnosed and ninety

32:21

one, but he had noticed signs

32:23

of it way before that.

32:25

When we were doing the first national tour

32:28

of. eight is david

32:32

We we in Los Angeles'and

32:34

and I was living in the Hollywood Hills,

32:36

you know? And I'm preparing to

32:38

do a matinee. Though

32:41

I must be clean shaven as am

32:44

now and, in order to save

32:46

you that be in the mirror up And

32:48

I'm in my mirror and notice. The

32:52

tiniest. The to been

32:54

here. Touch it

32:56

and send it to the such. We're

32:59

still investigating,

33:02

my face. and it

33:04

turns out Absolutely

33:07

symmetrical from here. Down

33:10

the side and my neck. Across

33:13

my clavicle under my arms, you don't know

33:15

what is this.

33:18

The doctor unset told Andre they would

33:20

have to remove and biopsy and lymph node,

33:22

but he or she is. The show was on

33:24

tour, so we saw two other doctors

33:27

who told him the same thing. One with

33:29

in New York and one was in Paris.

33:31

The time I returned from terrorists,

33:34

which is a bowl.

33:37

Eighty one. It's

33:39

gone.

33:40

In

33:42

retrospect, I now understand

33:45

those with the antibodies showing

33:47

up. The in my system.

33:51

Trying to price is foreign invasion.

33:56

And once they lost the battle. There's

33:59

nothing to do. So

34:01

you believe you, then you had to vie?

34:03

I's sick has a since nineteen

34:05

eighty. Oh, definitely. Doesn't

34:09

me what it was when I got the clinical

34:11

diagnosis? Sixteen't

34:14

t for so. Then you suppose

34:16

have two thousand. Yeah.

34:20

Go! Separately,

34:23

I wasn't actively dying. But

34:26

I'm guy.

34:28

That was the first time.

34:33

That I had one of many conversations

34:36

with death. There

34:39

comes knocking. Invited

34:41

in the South Cup a tea why,

34:44

are you here? will don't

34:46

worry take trip with me no with

34:48

don't Oh, okay,

34:51

I'll see you later thank you bye.

34:55

And that sincere mid forties.

34:57

You've been having conversations with

34:59

that, yeah.

35:00

Well when my partner died seven

35:02

the next conversation with Yes

35:05

My, Mother died. died

35:07

only have one sibling now Though

35:09

all of those deaths.

35:12

What's the tone of your conversation with

35:14

deaths these days?

35:16

Just when I explained to you hear fellow,

35:19

oh, come in, sit down and just

35:21

about a have cup of Japanese

35:24

ceremony on March, two seats will

35:26

you join me?

35:29

The see that's what

35:31

death asks me want to

35:33

join me know. Landed

35:36

the other things to do. I'm

35:38

gonna live until I die or. I'm

35:42

not preparing to die. You

35:45

want me? Dragged

35:47

me out a year.

35:55

That, Andrew, to shields, he

35:57

can see him on Broadway right now in

35:59

Haiti.

36:02

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36:04

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