I met my friend, Karl (I was just supposed to call him KK but I blew it) at a Death Cafe, and from day one we've had nothing but weird and wonderful conversations. This is one of them. We discuss suffering, the individual, spiritual guidance, spiritual tourism, the meaning of life, paralogical thinking, reality as illusion, love, and a bunch of other good stuff.

I come out of my shell some and share about my NDE, my favorite willow tree, and what I can only call a moment of divine intervention.

I paused the recording twice but other than that, this conversation is unedited and perfect in its flaws...like all of us.

Amy Call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Y3WnsaejAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX803D_cofI&t=1s

Robin Landsong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeS3VHle-Jchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGT0d9LI2xU

Tim Freke: http://timfreke.comMay you find something of value here. Thank you for listening.