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Slurping. Whew! Someone

1:56

sounds like they've got a little cold. No,

1:59

this is literally... just the same whatever it was

2:01

from when we were still prepping

2:03

the tour. I've just become, my

2:06

body is falling apart. Well, you look great.

2:08

I couldn't have, you just sound sniffily,

2:11

but your eyeliner is, muah. Oh,

2:13

thank you, I'm not wearing any eyeliner, but thank you so much.

2:16

So you're like, Gio, you're just born with it. I wish. No,

2:19

I just might. I, you know how we

2:22

said, oh, after we finished prepping the show, we

2:24

can crash. I have not slept a full night.

2:27

I've developed insomnia. I don't know. I can't

2:29

sleep at night. It's just horrible.

2:31

I'm just so ill. Everything's

2:33

just hurting me. Oh

2:36

my gosh. You really do sound like maybe you just have

2:38

a cold, my friend. I think maybe you just accept it.

2:40

No, I've had, well, it turned into, it was Leona's cold,

2:42

and then it turned into a sinus infection. And so now

2:44

I'm treating that, and that

2:46

doesn't bother me at all. It's just the lack of

2:48

sleep is like slowly killing me. So I can't get

2:51

better because I'm not sleeping. So it's like, yeah, it's

2:53

just terrible. Is it

2:55

just like the woes

2:58

of being a mom and having to run after a kid,

3:00

or is it like you really, even at night when you're

3:02

on your own? I literally lay there and I'm like for

3:04

hours, tossing and turning, I can't fall asleep. It's just horrible.

3:06

And then I wake up every hour in like a panic

3:09

and then can't fall back asleep. I've

3:12

just developed some weird sleeping issue. Oh

3:15

my God, I'm so sorry. That's awful. Thank you. I

3:17

was really hoping once we finished the

3:20

crazy all-nighters that I would just kind of like

3:22

let my body catch up. No,

3:24

I think it likes the

3:26

thrill of like just constant adrenaline

3:29

waking me up. I don't know.

3:32

Have you done anything to like

3:34

give yourself like a relaxing moment?

3:36

No. Okay, so maybe that needs

3:38

to happen. I don't know how to do that. I don't

3:40

know how to do that. Like if you're like forced, I

3:45

mean, I'm saying this to like someone who really doesn't have

3:47

a lot of time on their hands, but like

3:49

making yourself have like a day where you

3:51

just don't get off the couch or like you just take a

3:54

hot shower or. But

3:56

then I start to feel depressed like, oh shit,

3:58

I'm like just in the house. day doing,

4:00

I don't know, I just, I can't. When?

4:04

I can't find, what? When

4:06

you can't win because either you're going to be stressed or

4:08

depressed. Oh, I can't win, yeah, I can't win. I just

4:10

like, I just, I hate sitting still for so long, but

4:13

then I filled out my, oh my God, my

4:15

therapist had me fill out, we're recording aren't we?

4:18

Yeah, oh well. My therapist

4:20

had me fill out these like, you know, these forms every

4:22

couple months of like, just the classic

4:24

like depression screener and anxiety screener. And

4:27

I'm like just filling it out and I submitted and we're just chatting.

4:29

And then she kind of like stops and

4:31

I'm like, what? She goes, both of them

4:34

have gone up six points since you started

4:36

here in January. And I was like, uh,

4:38

is that a lot? And she's like, I mean, it's like a

4:40

third of the whole score. And I was like, oh my God.

4:44

Um, so now I'm failing that. I don't

4:46

know. I just, I don't know. I'm

4:48

just falling apart, but ever shows were really fun. I

4:50

know. You know, I was going to, I

4:53

don't know how to like turn. No, just talk, talk about

4:55

something happy. This is nobody wants to hear a bummer about

4:58

nothing. Oh, I

5:00

mean, I did. But okay. Um, yes,

5:02

our shows went great and now

5:05

there's no reason to be stressed. Right, Christine?

5:07

Right. Okay.

5:10

Just drink lots of coffee. And

5:12

pull your nose or something. I don't know. Oh,

5:15

don't worry. I'll blow my

5:17

nose plenty. Oh,

5:20

I think you just need a good sleep. Uh,

5:22

and I, I just don't know how to give it to you. Um,

5:24

my, my, my ring, my aura ring this morning I

5:27

woke up and it was like, something's wrong. I was

5:29

like, Oh, really? Is it? Thanks.

5:32

Um, and it was like,

5:34

you're waking up every hour

5:36

and you've never had such disrupted sleep

5:38

since you got this thing a year ago. And I was

5:41

like, I don't know. I don't have

5:43

a new, like, it's like life changes newborn at

5:45

home. I was like, Nope, none of that. Just,

5:47

uh, I mean, it was certainly

5:50

getting, getting ready for our show was a whole

5:52

new shock to our systems. It was a shock

5:54

to our systems. That is true. It

5:56

was certainly something we've never had to deal with before. I

5:58

don't know why it was so different from. the previous times.

6:00

I do, but I'll tell you, offer, so we don't give

6:03

any spoilers. I mean,

6:05

I can guess what you're probably going to say. But I mean,

6:07

the name of the tour show is poor decisions. So folks,

6:10

we're just trying to live up to that standard,

6:12

that high standard we've set for ourselves. Next

6:15

next next tour, we're not going to

6:17

maybe make the same poor decisions. I

6:19

hope not. Maybe we'll make different, different,

6:21

less sleep deprived, poor decisions. But

6:23

why are you why are you drinking? Tell me something

6:26

about you. It was going to be that I'm really proud

6:28

of us for the tour and that we can both go

6:30

to sleep now. Oh, well, I mean, I want to go

6:32

to sleep now. I'm hoping that my body figures it out.

6:34

I think it's just taking too long to reset. Like,

6:37

it's like, are we still stressed? And I'm like, no, and it's

6:39

like panicking. So I

6:41

think once I crash, I'll

6:43

crash really hard and it'll be fine. But

6:45

yeah, I'm very proud of us to and

6:48

poor Eva and poor us and poor everybody

6:51

who had to be part of our lives. Yeah,

6:53

that was rough. No,

6:55

I was just going to say I was really proud of us.

6:57

And I was going to say, I hope you're feeling more relaxed,

6:59

but I guess not. And so now I'll say, I hope I

7:02

was for a minute. I

7:05

hope you're drinking a lot of warm milk

7:07

or something and things

7:09

will eventually get sleepy for you. Thank you.

7:11

I'm glad. I hope you're feeling

7:13

better, too. I feel fine.

7:15

Great. Good. Listen, one of us has to feel

7:18

good at one point. We're always back and forth,

7:20

you know. Yeah, I'm good. I mean, I'm like

7:22

now I'm just like the only stress I have

7:24

is house stress, but that's, you know, compared to

7:26

what we were going through. I'm fine. So anyway,

7:30

that's it for me. I

7:33

spent a long weekend in New York

7:36

of my family. I which

7:40

I am taking now as like,

7:43

I really wanted to celebrate, you

7:45

know, us being done with the tour. And I kept telling myself,

7:47

I have these things called M's Day of Fun. And

7:49

a lot of times they're like to celebrate a

7:51

really hard stressor I've been going through or like

7:53

if we've been if I've been dealing with a lot,

7:56

then I like I'll schedule M's Day of Fun where

7:58

I. Maybe that's what you need you have to have

8:00

a question stay of fun. I was not say that

8:02

just sounds so horrible I mean it sounds fun, but

8:05

like so much more energy right do you

8:07

do you go do stuff? No? What's

8:10

a day of fun look like for you? It depends on

8:12

what I want to do that day, but I schedule a

8:14

day where I just don't do anything except whatever I want

8:16

Oh, what was that? What have you done? Well

8:18

like what did you do for this one? Well

8:20

the plan was originally it always

8:22

changes, but the if I don't

8:25

have a plan I The route the

8:27

default would be like just like play

8:29

VR and watch TV

8:31

and watch tiktoks and bad rot and not

8:33

feel bad about it But

8:37

this time around I think it just turned

8:39

into me being with my family for the

8:41

weekend, but I Had

8:43

a lot of fun with my cousin in hindsight my

8:45

aunt and uncle are Very sick of

8:47

me, and I don't think they want to see me fucking

8:49

another full calendar year. What do you mean? I think

8:52

they're just getting older and they just I think they

8:54

felt Overwhelmed about like having to

8:56

host someone for multiple days and and I

8:58

don't have to think about it It was

9:00

pretty clear so are you serious? My

9:04

cousin and I had a great time I

9:06

guess yeah now we both have an inside joke about

9:09

you're written out of the will and it's all good

9:11

Yeah, we'll just Mike you know Tanner and I now

9:13

know that after two days. It's time to leave I

9:15

mean I spent every day with you last week every

9:17

waking and not every day every waking moment of every

9:20

day and every night I can't imagine ever

9:22

getting sick of you You know

9:24

you say that but I actually didn't get sick of

9:26

you once so it's weird that you would Be fair

9:28

most of the time we were just in silence, and

9:30

then we'd like give each other the finger Yeah,

9:33

like once every hour It would be like go

9:35

to hell just like out of the blue

9:37

like we we developed like some severe behavioral

9:39

issues Being in the same room

9:41

for four days on end with no sleep

9:45

And so yeah anyway clearly I did

9:47

not recover well, but uh I mean

9:49

well it lasted Every time I

9:51

was with you. I kept thinking there's no else I'd rather

9:54

do this with oh, that's I mean to be fair Yeah,

9:56

I don't think I would want to be under the roof

9:58

with anybody else so for

10:00

what it's worth. Anyway, I think

10:03

I've discovered a time limit on my stays

10:05

there and that's fine. People have different

10:07

time limits. I love that my only concept of

10:09

your whole trip was like those pictures of you

10:11

in the graveyard and now I'm like, what happened?

10:14

I had a great time at the cemetery. That was the

10:17

day before any of us got sick of each other. Oh

10:19

no, because it looked so happy. It was happy.

10:22

Ironically, the happiest time was when we were in a

10:24

cemetery. I get it. Listen, you're talking

10:26

to the right person, I get it. I

10:29

have a bunch of family members buried in this

10:31

one cemetery and so it

10:33

was a big cleaning day.

10:35

Oh, that's so nice. We had a lot of

10:38

ancestors get through it. We only got through like half of them,

10:40

so yikes. Sorry to everybody else. But

10:42

it's just so out of the way. So I think

10:44

us being there made my aunt feel like, oh, we should

10:46

all go. It's a road trip to

10:48

get there. And

10:50

so I think after a long day of

10:52

driving and her taking us around, I think the

10:55

next day she wanted to relax and then felt like

10:57

she couldn't. So

10:59

I think it just got, I think

11:01

she's also sleepy. I think it's just a world

11:03

of sleepy people right now. I think everyone just needs

11:05

a nap. I think everyone needs a nap. I just

11:07

wish someone would give me some ambient or something. I've

11:09

never tried that and I feel worried to try it,

11:11

but I feel, I don't know. The

11:14

reviews are lovely. Yeah, well, I

11:16

feel like if I go to the doctor, they're

11:18

going to be like, well, here's a sleeping thing.

11:20

And I'm like, OK, great. But also then I'm

11:22

like, doesn't it make you sleepwalk and have weird

11:24

dreams? Have you done magnesium glycinate? I've done everything.

11:27

I take that every day. I

11:29

take melatonin. I mean, I probably just have washed out

11:32

my body with all this stuff and it doesn't react

11:34

anymore. Sometimes I take Benadryl.

11:36

Sometimes I take Tylenol PM. Sometimes I take. Have

11:38

you tried the Sleepy Girl cocktail that's on TikTok?

11:40

That seems to work very well. I mean, I

11:42

feel like if all these pharmaceuticals aren't working, but

11:45

maybe I need to try a. Sleepy

11:47

Girl cocktail. What is it again? Something

11:50

about cranberries. I don't know, you can look it up.

11:52

It's a people swear by it. I

11:54

mean, I mean, I take like full on. Like

11:57

I'll take a Klonopin to help me fall asleep sometimes. and

12:00

I still will be up for hours. So I'm like, I

12:02

don't know if a sleepy, maybe it'll be the one missing

12:04

link, maybe the sleepy girl, I don't wanna knock it, but.

12:06

Cranberries or cherries or whatever it is. Well,

12:09

good luck to you in your sleep. Well, thanks. If

12:12

I knew what would make things better, I would send

12:14

it to you over and out. I mean, maybe this

12:16

is it, maybe it's, oh, I like it, I typed

12:18

in sleepy cocktail and it was like,

12:21

you mean mocktail? And I was like, oh

12:23

man, yeah, I guess I mean mocktail. Enzdale

12:26

fun includes a lot of mocktails. Cherry juice and magnesium

12:28

powder. That's it, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they swear by

12:30

it, I don't know, give it a roll. Yeah, I

12:33

guess. How desperate are you? Well, there's actually a supplement

12:35

in it. I thought it was just gonna be like

12:37

cherry juice and I was like, then I'll just have

12:39

to pee, but if maybe the magnesium

12:41

is the kicker. I think

12:43

it's the, I mean, I've been told that

12:45

if melatonin doesn't work for you, magnesium glycinate,

12:47

especially if you have ADHD, it seems to

12:50

work better and that's what I take a

12:52

lot of times, but. Is it glycinate or

12:54

glycanate? Oh, I guess it's glycinate, glycinate. I

12:56

mean, I've always said glycinate and no one's corrected me, but

12:59

also maybe everyone's just very nice. Except me, I'm like, hi,

13:01

I don't even know how to say it and here I am correcting you. Standard,

13:06

sorry, my behavioral issues haven't settled since our

13:09

big week, oh fun. Oh,

13:12

terror, yeah. Oh, horrors. Well,

13:15

anyway, I had a lot of fun in New York.

13:17

I went to Sleepy Hollow, I did the, my

13:20

cousin and I were trying to figure out what to do. We

13:22

took my gamby who passed away, she left her car at my

13:25

aunt's house and so we took her for a joy ride. We

13:28

ended up in Jersey, we went to a big mall, it was very lovely and

13:31

we bonded. That sounds wonderful. Okay,

13:36

let's see, I have a story for you, are

13:38

you ready? Yay. It's pretty good, you tell me

13:40

actually. Okay, this is. I'll be the judge

13:42

of that. This is the SK

13:45

Pierce Manor or mansion depending on which article

13:47

you're reading. Oh, for just a brief moment,

13:49

I thought it was a boat because you

13:51

said S, the S.

13:54

The SS Pierce Manor. But

13:56

SK, okay. SK, for Sylvester,

13:58

K, I never. I forgot his middle name.

14:00

Let's say Keith. Okay. So

14:03

Keith. So Keith. So Keith. Which

14:08

by the way, Sylvester, that's one

14:10

of those names that I have on a baby list that I

14:12

know I'll never use. I know. And I

14:14

actually do secretly live. But you're like, but I want to keep

14:16

it on the list cause I do like it. I, like I'll

14:18

never admit to it until it becomes popular. And then all of

14:20

a sudden I'll be like, I had it on my list forever.

14:22

I came up with that first. Yeah. You're not bold enough to

14:25

use it. Right. That's how I was with

14:27

Oliver and Owen. Those were names I've had literally for at least

14:30

15 years of my life on a list. But that means that

14:32

every millennial also had it on their list, which probably means we

14:34

were all waiting to have our own kids. Maybe,

14:36

but every single time I suggested Oliver, Owen people

14:38

would go, oh really? And so maybe I just

14:40

went the wrong crowd, but Sylvester's also on that

14:43

list and the day it gets big. I want

14:45

everyone to know, hear it here first. I fucking

14:47

claimed it. The evidence. I

14:50

know you don't usually like old timey names. So this is

14:52

kind of a fun twist. I like that you like that

14:54

name that that makes me happy. Well, I like three things

14:57

about it. One, the nickname is Sly. Wait,

14:59

no, it's not. Yeah. It's

15:01

still. I

15:04

mean, unless you're dyslexic, which is fine, but SYL.

15:06

I've never met anyone named Syll. I've met people

15:08

named Sly and it was short for Sylvester. Are

15:10

you being serious? Why

15:13

would I make, this is like the dumbest joke to make.

15:15

Why would I make that up? It's

15:17

the stupidest joke I could make. I'm not saying

15:19

you're joking. I just don't understand. I don't understand

15:21

why I would be Sly. Maybe because Sly was

15:23

an actual word and people thought that was better

15:26

than Syll. I don't know. I'm also just thinking

15:28

like. You're sleepy Christine. It's okay.

15:30

I know, I know. I guess it is a

15:33

nickname. I think I just, in Germany, it's like

15:35

Sylvester's like a name in Germany, like a relatively

15:37

common name and the nickname is not Sly. So

15:39

I'm like, maybe. Maybe people exist.

15:41

I mean, you can do anything with a name.

15:44

I was gonna say silly, which is not a name

15:46

either. People call themselves Rock now.

15:48

So you can do whatever you want. Well, what

15:50

about Sylvie? That's kind of cute, Sylvester, Sylvie. See,

15:53

that's where we run different courses. You don't like

15:55

that? Well,

15:57

it also means for it, the woods. I like

15:59

that. I also like the cat, obviously. And

16:02

then one of my favorite movies when

16:04

I was a little kid was Baby Geniuses and the main

16:06

character there was Sylvester, whose nickname was Sly, by the way.

16:08

Oh, OK. Well, listen, I'm being

16:11

proven wrong by probably you and everybody on

16:13

Instagram. And all the baby geniuses. That's exactly

16:15

right. Why would I ever question their authority?

16:17

I'm so sorry. The baby geniuses. OK,

16:20

so anyway, love the name Sylvester. Let's move on. In

16:22

Germany, you know what Sylvester means? It's the name

16:25

of the New Year holiday. So

16:27

if you wanted another reason, Sylvester is

16:29

December 31. That's when they celebrate Sylvester.

16:32

So if you want another reason to like the

16:34

name. How

16:36

do you feel about Keith? No

16:39

comment. Let's keep it to

16:41

Kay. Let's see. OK, it's just Sylvester Kay.

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any disease. Okay,

19:10

so note that most of the information

19:12

from this comes from the book called

19:14

Bones in the Basement, surviving the

19:16

SK Pierce haunted Victorian mansion. Surviving

19:18

it, wow. Which again, what

19:21

is with names and titles as

19:23

long as the fucking bones. Like

19:25

our fucking podcast. Yeah, exactly. So

19:28

this is from Gardner,

19:31

Massachusetts. And the

19:33

mansion is named after the OG

19:35

owner, Sylvester Pierce, who. Sly

19:38

Keith. Sly KP, yeah,

19:40

that's right. And

19:42

he manufactured furniture. And apparently he did

19:45

it so well that his business was

19:47

so successful that the town became nicknamed

19:49

Chair City. Which. Shut up.

19:52

I feel like of all the furniture, Chair, like

19:54

I would not wanna be Chair City. I would wanna be

19:56

like Couch City or something. Oh yes, sofa city. Well,

19:59

that's. It does sound like a Sturtmall joint. Table

20:01

Town? Table Town? I

20:05

mean, there's so many other options. Share City just

20:07

feels a little too poised

20:09

and proper. What about Comfy County or

20:11

Cozy County? Something like it's a chair,

20:13

but a chair's not cozy. Fucking kidding.

20:16

That's what I'm saying, it's not cozy.

20:18

You're right, they'd be lying if they

20:20

said cozy. It has to be like

20:22

sit up straight, city. Yeah,

20:24

I would almost want something with day

20:27

bed in it or something. Shezlone.

20:31

Shezlone City, the

20:33

shitty city. OK,

20:36

we've gone too far. So, Chair City. When

20:39

building this mansion, Sylvester paid a huge team to

20:41

build around the clock, and it still took them

20:43

about two years to build it. So

20:46

it was that big. I think the last one of the

20:48

sources I saw said that it was like over 20 rooms.

20:54

Jesus, OK. I'm

20:56

sorry, I forgot what year is this? I wasn't really paying

20:58

attention. I haven't given a year yet. Oh, OK. I

21:02

mean, I was totally paying attention the whole time. Your

21:06

eyes were like nodding off. I was

21:08

googling Sylvester still for no reason anyway.

21:13

OK, so it took two years for them to build, and then

21:15

by 1875, that's

21:18

when they moved in. So the building was, interestingly,

21:21

666, 0 square feet. They

21:26

were like, 666 won't do. I

21:28

know. It's 6 more square feet. It

21:30

would have been 666, I guess. Oh,

21:32

yeah. Yeah. Whatever. But

21:35

it had multiple entrances for house staff.

21:37

It had a butler's pantry. It had

21:39

bells throughout the house to communicate with

21:42

one another. It had ornate woodwork details,

21:44

big fireplaces, and two indoor cisterns to

21:46

gather rainwater to provide indoor plumbing back

21:49

then. Jesus. I know. I

21:51

mean, I would have also waited two years for a house

21:53

if it was going to give me a toilet. I mean,

21:55

nowadays people build houses for a toilet. joke and 1968. I

22:02

don't know. My brain

22:05

is broken today. It's scrambled as

22:07

well. Wow. Okay.

22:09

Anyway, go on. So in 1875, he

22:12

moves in with his wife, Susan, and they're, I

22:14

don't know why it's stated this way, but they're

22:16

adult son, Frank. I feel like

22:18

if you're going to move into a little over

22:20

6,000 square foot house, maybe your adult son can

22:22

fucking move in. Yeah, it's not like weird that

22:24

he has a place there. Yeah. Yeah.

22:27

It's like he heard there's a toilet. I

22:29

feel like I'm not living with my wife.

22:31

Forget it. She doesn't have a toilet. Exactly.

22:33

If I found out that I was moving

22:35

into this house with Allison or the exact

22:37

same house with a toilet, I guess we're

22:39

trying to pick him by Allison. Okay.

22:43

So moved in with wife, Susan and their

22:45

adult son, Frank, who, okay.

22:47

Poor Frank. After

22:49

however long their relationship was and then waiting

22:52

two years to move into this place two

22:55

weeks into living there, Susan dies. No.

22:59

From some infection. They don't really say.

23:01

This is where I did a bit

23:03

of a deep dive. Whoopsies, because it

23:06

said in the notes that

23:09

the expected morning period was

23:11

two years. You know, we love

23:14

this morning stuff, Victorian morning. And I went,

23:16

that's not enough information for me. So that

23:18

you said it's not enough time. And I

23:20

was like, okay, Em, that feels like you're

23:23

not allowed to say that. But, um, as

23:25

a narcissist, it certainly is not if I

23:27

die. Decade minimum. Um, okay. So, uh,

23:30

yeah. So Saoirse wrote the expected morning period was two

23:32

years. And I was like, I'm not, that's elaborate. So

23:35

here we go. Yeah.

23:37

So, um, let's,

23:39

let's do this. So I, in the late 1800s, I looked at

23:41

the morning period of

23:43

each century. LOL. It's basically an 1800

23:46

situation. Um, but the morning period and

23:48

the morning rituals in general were very

23:50

public, very visual fell mostly

23:52

on women, of course, because guess what? They're

23:54

more moral than men. Of course, for sure.

23:57

They have to up literally. That's why because

23:59

standard. Yeah. because they are

24:01

within control and thought and reason more.

24:03

But God forbid they can fucking vote.

24:05

Okay, so. No, they're not

24:07

that reasonable. They get hysterical every once

24:09

a month. We can't have that. They

24:11

wear black beautifully, but God forbid that they

24:14

have a fucking thought, yuck. God forbid they

24:16

bleed in the White House. They're coming, God. So

24:20

anyway, black attire was representing,

24:23

was worn because it represented one's inner sorrow.

24:26

There are, do you wanna know how many

24:28

stages of mourning? Do you wanna guess how many

24:30

stages? And this is obviously probably

24:32

a stupid question, but this is different from

24:34

the stages of grief, correct? Stages

24:36

of mourning. Okay, so that requires psychology and

24:39

science. I was like, oh, I know this.

24:41

No, I don't know this. Okay, are there

24:43

13? That seems

24:45

two on the nose. I don't know. There's 666.

24:48

No, it's three stages of mourning. Three, okay,

24:50

phew. That seems a lot more reasonable. There's

24:52

deep mourning, ordinary mourning,

24:54

LOL, and then half mourning. Half

24:58

mourning. That feels like half-assed mourning.

25:01

I know, well, so half, our ordinary mourning is

25:03

also called second mourning because it's the second phase.

25:06

But it's supposed to- And for those of

25:08

you who are half-tuning in, we're saying mourning

25:10

with a U. Like if you're like a

25:12

mourning ritual, like a mourning ritual. Yeah, there

25:14

are also three stages to my mourning ritual,

25:17

which is sleep, continuously- I was gonna say snooze. Super clock

25:19

and then go back to sleep. Yeah. So

25:22

deep mourning is supposed to be

25:25

as if it's a gradient. Like you're in deep

25:27

mourning, then you're kind of like dealing with ordinary

25:29

amounts of grief and then you're going through a

25:31

half- And you're like phasing it out. Yes. And

25:34

that's what the clothes are supposed to

25:36

represent too. So you start with really

25:38

only blacks, and then eventually you start

25:40

working into, start working colorful clothing back

25:42

into your fashion. So deep

25:45

mourning, you have dull with

25:47

no sheen, black fabrics, it's

25:49

put nothing eye-catching, nothing fun at

25:52

all. You are just miserable and your clothes

25:54

reflect that. And you have to wear clothes. That sucks

25:56

too. I know. Just

25:58

like don't take me out of my shark t-shirt. what I'm currently

26:00

wearing, see? Can't you just starfish naked on the bed

26:02

and just cry it out, you know? Come on, it's

26:04

one stage of mourning. It's all we need. So

26:07

then ordinary mourning is you are still

26:09

expected to wear all black, but you

26:11

can kind of incorporate some like simple

26:13

jewelry, simple trimmings on your clothes. It's

26:15

like- God, how do you, that sounds

26:17

like the nightmare, like the most nightmarish

26:19

social anxiety. Like, can I put on

26:21

earrings today? Or are all the ladies

26:23

going to be like, you know,

26:25

is it too soon? Like is it, like

26:28

when is too soon? Or are they going to start talking

26:30

like, when is she going to wear her necklace again? Like,

26:32

oh my God, my anxiety, I can't stand it. I feel

26:34

like in that moment, you just bring earrings and tuss out

26:36

the vibes. Good idea. See if you can put them on.

26:39

Good idea. Or maybe just hold your ear and just wait

26:41

to see what they think. And then like just kind of

26:43

slip them right out. Like if they- Yeah. Just be like,

26:45

oh, too shiny. Okay. So far it

26:47

looks like I'm constantly in deep mourning, I guess,

26:49

if I'm 90% of the time wearing a black

26:51

t-shirt, black joggers and black socks, but- Maybe we're

26:53

always in half mourning. Maybe that's just our current

26:55

status of life. And maybe, yeah. So,

26:58

okay. So ordinary

27:00

morning, you're allowed to start incorporating some accessories.

27:02

And then half mourning is you're allowed to

27:04

have accessories. They can't be too flashy, but

27:07

also your clothing starts lightening up. So you

27:09

can wear grays, purples and monotone

27:11

colors. So black, white neutral. I

27:14

get to wear gray again. Yay. I

27:16

know. So

27:18

this is representing that you're gradually bringing color

27:21

back to your life. And those who could

27:23

not afford brand new attire to mourn. Can

27:25

you imagine, first of all, someone you love

27:27

dying, and now you have to go

27:29

fucking shopping and it's not even a fun shopping spree. You have

27:31

to just go buy all dark shit. Well, and at that time

27:33

too, you had to be measured and there were all these pins.

27:35

Like it's not even, I mean, of course, if you were upper

27:38

class or whatever. And you have to be super rich to have

27:40

a massive closet of clothes. Exactly. So people

27:42

who could not afford all new attire would end up

27:44

dying some of their existing clothes black. You say it

27:46

would end up dying. I was like, why? Okay,

27:50

dying there. Just to avoid it all. Dying their

27:52

clothes. Just to avoid the fashion folk off. Yeah,

27:55

me too. I get it. I

27:58

mean, honestly, if I couldn't afford it,

28:00

I would. stay inside star fishing naked

28:02

on the bed. Exactly. So it actually

28:04

works out. So that's the

28:07

clothing situation. The time spent in each

28:09

morning period depended on how close you

28:11

were with the deceased or your actual

28:13

relationship like kinship to them. So if

28:15

you were a parent or child, if

28:18

your parent or child died, it was

28:21

expected at least a year of, of,

28:23

okay, I think even deep morning was

28:25

one year. If

28:27

it was a grandparent or grandchild, it was six to nine

28:29

months. I guess if you didn't really like them, you could

28:32

just do six. It's fine. And then

28:34

my aunt asked after this weekend, she's already out

28:36

of morning. It's fine. Yeah. She's like, Oh, well,

28:39

you know, it's been an hour. And

28:42

if it's your sibling, if they passed away, it's

28:44

only expected to do six months. So, and

28:46

I guess if it's your friend, you just don't even

28:48

try. So anyway, I know. Oh,

28:52

if you're a widow, it, you could be expected to

28:54

be in full morning for at least a year. It

28:56

was really, if you were trying to prove your commitment

28:58

or your loyalty to the marriage, then it was up

29:00

to two and a half years. Um,

29:03

a lot of people get remarried, right? At that time,

29:05

it's like, isn't that funny? Hurry up

29:07

the process. Yeah. It's like, I'm in a dark

29:09

black veil and hopefully that attracts all of my

29:11

suitors who are willing to wait three years. Yeah.

29:13

Right. They just come buzzing on by. And hopefully

29:16

the person who died that I'm mourning had enough

29:18

money left over that I can live off until

29:20

I can marry again. Yeah. I imagine the people

29:22

who got like shit talked about them behind their

29:24

back because they just need to get married to

29:26

fucking eat, you know? Yeah.

29:28

This is just a survival mechanism at this point.

29:31

I got married because he left me no money

29:33

and yet I'm the asshole because I'm not wearing

29:35

black. Okay. Um, well you're

29:37

an asshole because you're poor, I think is what they

29:39

would say. Yeah. Oh yes, of course. Of course. And

29:42

then they would be like, you should probably die instead

29:44

of mourning in your black dress. Not

29:46

much has changed. So, um, it feels like

29:48

queen. Oh, apparently if

29:51

you are, uh, really

29:53

committing to the bit and you're like, I'm never

29:55

marrying again, you're expected to mourn deep mourn for

29:57

the rest of your life. So

30:00

you either get married or you're just

30:03

fucking sad forever? If

30:05

you decided you never wanted to marry again, if you like, I guess

30:07

we're in a place where you could do that. A

30:09

lot of women at the time, it wasn't like

30:11

expected, but if they wanted to prove that they

30:13

were more pious and more than anybody else, they

30:15

would be seen in full black for the

30:17

rest of their life because it emulated Queen

30:20

Victoria who did that one, her husband. Oh

30:24

my god. Widowwares on the other

30:26

hand, they only had to mourn for up to six months.

30:28

Plus because they already wore

30:31

basically only black suits, their

30:33

dress never really changed. So

30:35

they didn't have to go through all this rigmarole

30:37

of guessing what to wear. And

30:39

children, which I thought this was lovely, children

30:42

are not expected to wear any black, but

30:44

maybe have a dark accessory if you wanted them

30:46

to be involved in the ritual of mourning. But

30:50

the depressing clothes they thought might affect the

30:52

development of the child and didn't want to

30:54

darken their spirit. They're like, women, put this

30:57

on. But don't affect the children with all

30:59

of your gloom. Eventually

31:04

people did realize that this was probably the

31:06

case for adults too, which is why reform

31:09

started against these practices of forcing

31:11

yourself to be in a depressive state.

31:14

And by World War I, these practices were pretty

31:17

much gone just in time for World War I

31:19

where everyone was dying. Ouch. They're like, we're all

31:21

going to be in mourning. Let's just ease up

31:23

on all the new clothes. It's like now that

31:25

we're all the same and everyone's dying. I don't

31:27

know how much we have to do this. So

31:31

anyway, that is my deep dive. It's not special like it used to be.

31:33

It's not the same as when this

31:36

was an exclusive club. What was me?

31:38

I don't look special grieving anymore. So

31:40

anyway, that is my deep dive on that. And

31:43

okay, so then 1875, the pierces move in,

31:45

his wife immediately dies. Now she's him and

31:48

his adult son Frank and one. And so

31:52

then the manner immediately becomes this

31:54

social hub for artists, politicians and

31:56

businessmen. I don't know how good

31:58

he was at manufacturing. furniture, but within

32:01

10 years of living there, like

32:03

the president was visiting this house.

32:05

Okay. So chair city. That's

32:07

a chair city is a gold chair. So

32:11

president Coolidge lived there. PT or not live there. Sorry.

32:14

President Coolidge visited PT Barnum visited Norman Rockwell visited and

32:16

only 13 years into

32:19

moving into this house and having all this

32:21

success with the house. Then Sylvester

32:23

dies. He

32:26

remarried a woman named Ellen,

32:28

uh, after his

32:30

wife died, who was 30 years younger

32:32

than him. Whoa. And

32:35

they had two other sons. So after Sylvester

32:37

dies, uh, his wife

32:39

gets the inheritance and

32:41

apparently his adults on Frank, uh,

32:44

hated that and was like, I was here before

32:46

you bitch. And so he decided that he was

32:49

going to take custody of his brothers to try

32:51

to steal their share of the estate. Um,

32:54

drama. Oh my God. Drama

32:56

and chair city. A little

32:58

drama right here in chair city

33:01

with a capital D and that starts with D and

33:04

that's fun for me.

33:06

You know, back to the drawing

33:08

board, drawing room. Nope. Okay.

33:12

Nevermind. I don't know what I was trying to do.

33:14

Well, thanks for ruining my nice music band. Shout out. It

33:16

sounded like it ended. Um, you're welcome. Anyway, here

33:18

we go. After it

33:20

became chair city, you know,

33:23

hot to trot drama, um, Frank,

33:25

I guess ended up not winning

33:27

custody of his sons, but for

33:29

years there was this like very

33:31

local, well-known like legal battle

33:33

about who deserved the estate. Ellen

33:36

dies. Frank moves out with one

33:38

of the older sons moves out and then the

33:40

youngest son, Edward, is responsible for this building. Eventually

33:43

the family fortune starts to, it starts

33:45

dwindling and that's probably because of the

33:48

great depression. Um, that one

33:50

point they tried to convert it into a, the

33:53

Victorian in and then, and then from

33:55

there it became a boarding house. It was still

33:57

dwindling financially and eventually Edward. take care of it.

34:00

So his friend decided to take ownership of it.

34:02

And the rumor is like Edward just lost it

34:04

in a card game. I don't know if that's

34:06

true. But his

34:09

friend said, I'll take, I'll take responsibility and

34:11

ownership of this place. You can still live

34:13

there, but I'm going to deal with like

34:15

the renovations and stuff. Okay. Nice deal for

34:17

Edward. So Edward spent the

34:19

rest of his life there. He was the last person

34:22

to die there. In total there was like, I don't

34:25

know. He was the second to last person to die there. Up

34:27

until this point though, every single person who has

34:29

died was a member of the family. Okay. In

34:31

the house. Um, while

34:35

he was living there, his friend spent over a hundred

34:37

thousand dollars renovating it. And for

34:39

some reason, I'm assuming ghosts because

34:41

this is a ghost story, but

34:43

there's no, there's nothing to prove

34:46

that. But for some reason, the friend ended up moving

34:48

away and left the house completely abandoned for 20 years.

34:51

Oh, this is after Edward died.

34:53

So maybe after Edward died, he started haunting his friend.

34:55

I don't know. Well, maybe he just was like in

34:57

mourning and they were like, you're a man. You shouldn't

34:59

be in mourning. And he's like, leave me alone. Let

35:02

me run away. So the place was

35:04

abandoned for 20 years after being fully

35:07

renovated. And then by the time it

35:09

got repurchased, it had to be renovated

35:11

again. Re-renovated because you're innovative.

35:13

Okay. Because it now had been

35:16

so dilapidated of just spending all

35:18

that money too. Oh God, I know

35:20

that hurts. So in 2000,

35:24

we really skyrocketed into the years

35:26

here. Wait a minute. In 2000,

35:28

a new couple purchases it, but

35:31

it was once again, again in poor condition, it

35:33

had to be renovated for a second time. They

35:35

renovate it, but I'm assuming the renovations are what

35:37

caused this. That like, it was just a lot

35:39

on the marriage. They ended up getting divorced and

35:41

by 2006 they've moved out. Oh

35:44

no. Okay. So now

35:46

it's been renovated twice and barely anyone's even

35:48

fucking lived there in like a quarter of

35:50

a century. Two

35:52

years later in 2008, Lillian

35:54

and Edwin, our main characters, decided to

35:57

move in and they decided

35:59

to move in. Because, well, their names are Lillian

36:01

and Edwin. Like who else is going to move

36:03

in here? It's a perfect couple. It

36:06

is a little old timey names. They'd

36:08

be on the list right under Sylvester maybe. So

36:12

Lillian and Edwin decides to move in. I

36:14

don't think they actually had plans of getting

36:16

a house, or if they did, it was

36:18

not this type of house. But Lillian saw

36:20

it and immediately was weirdly fucking fixated on

36:22

this house. Oh, gosh. That happens, I feel

36:24

like. I hear about that. Yeah. It

36:27

was not in character for her. This is not

36:29

what she's usually like, but she had a feeling

36:31

that this thing was meant for them. She couldn't

36:33

stop thinking about it. Meanwhile, Edwin, Mr. Responsible, is

36:35

like, hang on a second. I'm looking at the

36:37

numbers here, and I don't think we can afford

36:39

this. But Lillian is

36:43

so into it that he's like, OK, I guess

36:45

we can do this. And he thought it was

36:47

especially odd because she was a caregiver, I think,

36:50

a caregiver for her mom. And

36:53

this place was like an hour away, and he was like,

36:55

why do you want to move away from everything and everyone?

36:58

Very odd. Weird. But she was so

37:00

committed to it that he was like, OK, I guess we can at least

37:02

go on a tour of this place. So the

37:04

night before the tour, he has this really freaky

37:07

dream that he's floating out front of

37:09

the front doors of the house, floats

37:11

into the building, and he sees an 1800s party

37:13

going on. Ooh!

37:18

He's floating around. Nobody knows his hands except for him. There's

37:20

a celery vase here. There's a celery vase there. You

37:22

got your celeries. You got your vases. And

37:26

he's floating

37:28

around. Nobody is noticing him except for one

37:31

man notices him in the crowd. Ew! And

37:33

greets him, says hello. And then Edwin

37:35

wakes up. Ew!

37:38

He's like, welcome. Yes.

37:40

It's like, oh, she's the beginning of the end. You're

37:43

the guest of honor. Yes. The

37:45

man was in black. Can't tell you if he was mourning

37:48

or not. And they think it

37:50

was Sylvester because Edwin said he got the vibe

37:52

this was the master of the house. I

37:56

know. So then the next day, he wakes up,

37:58

and they go on this tour. And they

38:01

realize, or Edwin realizes, these are the

38:03

exact doors I was floating in front of. Ew, ew, ew,

38:05

ew, ew. He goes into the room

38:07

where he saw the party. He had never seen pictures of

38:10

this place before. He was like,

38:12

I don't, I have been, I was literally here last night.

38:14

And he can even see the spot where the man said,

38:16

I must shake you to your core, you know, especially if

38:18

you're like not a spiritual person, that must be just like

38:21

shocking to your system. It's moments like

38:23

this where I'm like, fucking read the

38:25

room. Like if that happened to me, like that's the

38:27

first of, of many red

38:29

flags, but that's the only red flag I

38:31

need. I'm like, yeah. But then people like

38:33

me are like, maybe that means I'm destined

38:35

to live here. Like it's just, yeah. I

38:37

feel like people can spin that the wrong

38:39

way. It'd be at this moment where I'd

38:41

be like, Alison, this is, we've been working up to this

38:44

moment where I need you to trust me on one, on

38:46

one statement. We are not living here. We're

38:50

not living here. Don't ask me a question. We're not living

38:52

here. But anyway, Edwin didn't

38:54

have that conversation with Lillian and

38:56

they are still on this tour. He's realizing he knows

38:58

this house because he just dreamt it. And on the

39:01

tour, the people are even saying, hey, don't take pictures.

39:03

Don't take pictures while you're here. Which also

39:06

goes to show that during

39:08

previous tours, no pictures have been taken. So Edwin

39:10

couldn't have seen these rooms. But

39:13

they're like, no pictures, don't take pictures. Weird. They

39:16

approach a set of doors. Again,

39:18

doors that Edwin had seen. And

39:22

this starts to really freak Edwin out. Despite

39:24

this, Lillian is like beyond enamored with the

39:27

house. And he

39:29

kind of thinks, okay, it's weird that I had this dream,

39:31

but whatever. Like she really cares about this house. Let's just

39:33

get it. I don't know how we're going to afford it,

39:35

but we're going to do some work on it and then

39:37

move in the spring. So the first chunk of the story

39:39

is them just working on the house while not

39:41

even living there. Okay. So

39:44

funny enough, as soon as they buy this

39:46

house, Lillian's sister says, oh, here's a video

39:48

I just saw of a team

39:50

of ghost hunters here. Which

39:53

I kind of wonder if it was an episode of

39:55

Ghost Adventures. Now that

39:57

would be quite a welcome. home

40:00

a housewarming gift from your sister. Maybe he actually just

40:02

dreamt of Zach. He just heard it like, you know,

40:04

when you're sleeping and you can hear a TV program,

40:06

maybe he was. Oh my gosh, you're right. The

40:09

dream was just Zach Bagans going,

40:11

welcome to hell. Yes. It's like that

40:13

new VR Zach Bagans thing that

40:15

we're inventing, where you get to put on

40:17

a thing and you're like in the eyes

40:19

of Zach Bagans. It's

40:22

pretty cool, actually. Oh, I

40:24

love how your sleepy brain works. You're just

40:26

punching, punching the ghost. Can

40:28

I tell you something really bad? Always. I

40:32

punched my cousin in the face this weekend. No

40:35

wonder you're like, I can't imagine why

40:37

my relatives don't want me staying with

40:39

them anymore. Why would you wait? What

40:41

happened? Tell me everything. Like a

40:43

clean clocked him in the face

40:45

as hard as I could. Did it feel good?

40:49

It's not, I'm not supposed to ask that. If maybe

40:51

it felt a little good. Yeah. What was happening? He

40:53

did he deserve it? Probably. Okay.

40:56

I'm just going to say I don't remember. I

40:59

was sleeping. Oh, okay. Well, that

41:01

all bets. Apparently I, but I, I woke

41:03

up enough that we made eye contact and

41:05

I still did it. And then I went

41:07

back to, I was. Did he scare you?

41:10

He thought it would be funny to waking up by

41:12

tickling me in the armpits. Incorrect. Okay.

41:14

So like, obviously he deserved, I mean, I would

41:16

have punched him so hard. His nose would have

41:18

broken. He has little brother energy. He still likes

41:20

to like poke in me in the ribs and

41:22

the armpit and try to tickle me. Absolutely not.

41:24

Absolutely not. And I, apparently

41:26

he got me right in the arm

41:28

at the wrong moment. And your literal

41:31

worst fear is someone touching your armpits while

41:33

you sleep. I don't understand. Apparently our

41:35

eyes connected and I looked him into

41:37

his soul as I absolutely wrecked his shit.

41:40

Target recognized. I

41:43

mean, I don't blame you for one. It was my sleeper agent

41:45

code would have been realized. Like I just. The

41:48

buttons in your armpits. Yeah. I do not

41:50

think you were in the wrong. Sorry. He

41:53

woke me up or the, he didn't, well, he apparently

41:55

woke up for a second. I went right back to

41:57

bed too. So apparently I had no guilt about it.

41:59

Honestly. If you're being a little brother energy

42:01

to a full grown adult who's sleeping, what

42:04

do you think is going to happen? I just feel

42:06

bad. I think it's one of the only times I've

42:08

ever punched somebody. But apparently I got him real good.

42:11

Like, anyway, I know. I

42:13

know him. For people who are

42:15

like, what the fuck, Christine? I know him. And

42:17

he does give little brother energy. So as someone

42:19

with a little brother, I get it. He

42:22

you know, I will say he

42:24

never touched my armpits again for

42:26

the entire weekend. Exactly. I guess

42:28

it's called protecting your space, your

42:30

property. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

42:33

sorry, you brought a punch in. I was like,

42:35

oh, that's why I feel a little like shit

42:37

today. Yeah. Well, actually, the strangest thing happened. You've

42:39

really lifted my spirits. So I feel that maybe

42:41

you've given me some of your life force. Thank

42:43

you. Tanner, this was free. This

42:45

was for Christine, actually. Tanner. Thank

42:48

you for your service. Yeah, I appreciate it. I

42:50

feel a lot better. So

42:52

OK, so her sister sees this ghost

42:55

hunting show. We don't

42:57

know which one it was. I'm assuming ghost adventures.

42:59

And then she goes, oh, apparently this

43:01

place really is haunted. But she doesn't believe in ghosts. So

43:03

she doesn't even give a shit. She

43:05

doesn't believe in ghosts. Fun fact, like, oh, that's

43:07

weird. Apparently so. OK. Meanwhile,

43:10

in a bookstore, Edwin finds a book

43:12

about their fucking house and in

43:15

a or sees a chapter of it in

43:17

a haunted house book. Oh, God. And

43:19

in the book, it says that the second floor

43:21

is haunted by a man who just casually spontaneously

43:23

combusts like in

43:26

spirit form. I hope

43:28

so. Oh, OK. I don't know why I

43:30

thought, like, oh, does it like cause other

43:32

people to spontaneously combust, but like the ghost

43:34

itself does. I see. No, the ghost itself.

43:37

That's weird. OK. He was

43:39

like, hmm, that's enough for me to call the realtor and be like,

43:41

why do you want us? Yeah.

43:43

And the realtor said, oh, yeah,

43:45

actually, the no photos rule was

43:47

because so many investigators pretend to

43:49

be prospective buyers so they can

43:51

get access and take pictures of

43:53

the building. That's actually so smart.

43:56

Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's actually so smart. I

43:59

don't. I don't want to give anyone props, but

44:01

that actually is a not

44:03

a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh,

44:05

that got me. Good. Good job. So

44:08

after the confirmation that this place is haunted, Edwin

44:10

is like, yep, can

44:12

confirm because I've been feeling weird shit around this

44:15

house. Anyway, the main bedroom and another room they

44:17

call the copper room, which I guess is full

44:19

of copper, they said they both felt very unwelcoming

44:22

and dark, but the billiard room had a

44:24

warm, inviting atmosphere, I guess, because that's where

44:26

they socialized. Where people

44:28

socialized. That's where the only, only the men were

44:31

allowed in. Probably. Yes, obviously. Yuck. If a woman's

44:33

in a room, forget it. Forget it. Gross. Um,

44:37

Edwin began feeling extremely uneasy all

44:40

over the house. Lillian couldn't have cared

44:42

less because she's like, she's

44:45

like, but have you seen the windowsills

44:47

and the curtains and every little inch?

44:49

Uh, so

44:53

things start happening and Edwin is the only

44:55

one freaking out. One time Lillian

44:57

found these like two decorative pieces of glass

44:59

and she put them on the mantle in

45:01

their house and multiple times over, they found

45:03

them, at least one of them

45:05

lying in the middle of the room and their glass.

45:08

So if it's falling off the mantle and rolling to

45:10

the same spot, it should be shattering. First of all,

45:12

yes, I would think so, especially over and over again.

45:14

Second of all, Edwin was like, okay, maybe the

45:17

floor is uneven and it's just rolling off and

45:19

it's going into the center of, you know, of

45:21

the house. But every time he

45:23

tried to replicate it, it wasn't happening. And you

45:26

know, we've done that where you just jump up and down

45:28

over and over. Yes. I'll knock it

45:30

off. Yep. And it's not happening. So then

45:33

he's having dinner. He hears a

45:35

massive crash in the basement. And when he looks

45:38

around, there's no cause of

45:40

the sound, but they go back to dinner

45:42

and all of a sudden this three foot

45:44

long, big ass metal planter slides across the

45:46

entire floor. Oh no. And

45:49

still desperate for there to be a reason to

45:51

that. He tried to like push it himself and

45:53

see like maybe the floor is still slanted. He's

45:55

not even strong enough. But it's three feet long

45:57

and metal. Like it's, it's not going to slide

45:59

by itself. and when he would try to do it, it was

46:01

not sliding on its own. So. That's not good, that's not

46:03

good. After that dinner, they then saw

46:05

that this glass decorative piece

46:07

was once again in the center of the room. Oh,

46:10

gross. Still unphased

46:13

and unbelieving in ghosts, Lillian spent all

46:15

of her time in this house, which feels a

46:17

little like it's attached to her, like she didn't

46:19

really have a reason to ever leave, especially

46:22

the basement which she felt oddly

46:24

drawn to. Uh-uh. And in

46:26

hindsight, was constantly seeing shadow figures walking around

46:28

in there. And you're like, that's the place

46:30

for me. Yes. Not

46:32

the billiards room with all the great energy. Nope,

46:35

just the one where everyone's walking around. A dank

46:37

dark basement, sure. One day, the

46:39

vacuum kept turning itself off when she was just

46:41

trying to vacuum, and it kept turning itself off.

46:44

She was like, okay, if there are ghosts here,

46:46

you need to fucking stop because I'm trying to clean. Trying

46:48

to vacuum. Like, respect that I'm trying to

46:50

clean your goddamn mansion, actually. Good point. And

46:54

then the vacuum started working again. Okay. And

46:56

she was like, oh, that's funky,

46:58

but like didn't take it as a real

47:00

situation. What made her finally believe was

47:03

that in the basement, the shadow figures

47:05

started to actually, they weren't

47:07

just her eyes catching something weird.

47:09

She felt like it was intentionally

47:11

trying to move only

47:13

when she was looking. Ew,

47:16

okay, that's kind of worse, because like at least

47:18

sometimes I feel like there's a ghost in my house,

47:21

like I'm being watched, but I'm like, but I know

47:23

if I look, it won't be there, you know, because

47:25

it's like, they don't want, to be like, oh,

47:27

they want me to look at them, it's horrifying.

47:29

It's like they were only moving when she was

47:31

looking directly at them. That's so gross. Yeah. Forget

47:34

it. Forget about it. A

47:36

year later, 2009, they're

47:39

moving in officially. And Lillian is

47:41

totally cool with the idea of it being haunted. She

47:43

has accepted that ghosts are there. I can't believe they

47:45

haven't even moved in yet. In my brain, I had

47:47

to like do a little, I forgot they were still

47:49

renovating this whole time. I would have just been the

47:51

third family to renovate and leave at this point. Just

47:54

buy, yeah. Honestly, I said earlier, like that second couple,

47:56

they moved in in 2000 and renovated and then got

47:58

divorced. I wonder if it was like the right. Renovation

48:00

was hard on their marriage or the fucking

48:02

ghosts. I wonder yeah, fuck this and just

48:04

left Yeah, it sounds like it was bad

48:06

all around Well,

48:08

so now they're the third family to have renovated. They're now

48:10

moving in its 2009 Lillian

48:13

does not give a shit that it's haunted.

48:15

Although she accepts that it's haunted Edwin

48:17

is probably rocking back and forth in a corner and

48:22

By the way Lillian is now not mentioning things that

48:24

are happening to her alone to not Keep scaring Edwin

48:26

because she needs him to also be down with this

48:28

because they put a lot of money, right? Okay. Yeah,

48:30

it's too late to go back. So

48:32

that's probably what Allison is doing in this house She's

48:34

like, oh god damn thing. Yeah, I don't think there's

48:36

a good When

48:39

moving in the main bedroom was still being worked on

48:41

so they slept in a different room that they called

48:43

the red room I don't know why it's called the

48:45

red room sounds bad. I can guess it's red one

48:48

of the next big signs for Edwin

48:51

that this place was haunted was that the

48:53

behavior of their dogs was

48:55

obviously changing Their

48:58

dogs are at start growling in the at the

49:00

dark. They would cower away from something They start

49:02

freaking out over nothing and they would act like

49:04

bristled like if something tried to come near them

49:08

So when sleeping in this red room Edwin

49:10

started noticing that the dogs were freaking out

49:12

like fucking crazy and decided to follow their

49:15

eyeline of what they're looking at and he

49:17

Saw a clear shadow person walking through the

49:20

house like clear enough that you and I would

49:22

have thought first It was an actual intruder, right?

49:24

Right. So that's bad news he

49:26

knew it was a real shadow because There

49:28

was a radio out there with like a backlight on

49:30

it and the shadow would walk in front of it

49:32

and the light would Go away standing

49:34

in front of so he was taking the light like it

49:36

was Okay, like

49:39

a full solid shadow figure Edwin

49:43

would see the same figure float by

49:45

their bedroom every night for two weeks.

49:47

Forget it Lillian Unbothered.

49:50

Yeah, I love her. She's so

49:52

fun. I would love to be

49:54

as fucking carefree as this woman

49:56

I just fired whatever level case

49:59

or ossera. Yeah, I love But

50:02

soon even the neighbors start noticing activity

50:04

before Lillian gives a shit. Wait a

50:06

minute. They're already complaining.

50:08

Can you imagine if Edwin starts conspiring with the neighbors

50:10

to be like, can you convince this crazy wife of

50:12

mine? Like come on. Get her out of there.

50:15

I mean, this really does feel like a warning

50:17

for anyone who's in a relationship with someone who

50:19

doesn't believe in spirits. It's like, this could happen

50:21

to you. Yeah, yeah. Look, that's a cue to

50:24

both you and me. I think that this is

50:26

our cry for help, Em. I

50:28

already know that this, I know

50:30

who I am in this story. You know who you

50:32

are. Yeah. Oh. I'm

50:35

the adult son Frank. That's who I am. And

50:40

so the neighbors start noticing activity because they

50:42

start going up to Edwin and

50:44

being like, oh man, like your wife's dedication to

50:46

like getting this house done in the winter is

50:49

crazy. Like we can see her through the windows

50:51

painting all the time. And then Edwin's

50:53

like, it's been too cold to go into this

50:55

house. No one's been in there. Absolutely not. But

50:59

also, so like, are they also painting? Like are

51:01

the ghosts also renovating? And like, are

51:03

they painting over your paint because your paint sucks?

51:05

Yeah. Is that why they keep pushing

51:07

that glass decorative thing? They're like, this is so

51:09

ugly. Like we're decorating. You know what I mean?

51:11

Like maybe they're like, your style is so gauche.

51:14

You know, we're on it. Which does make, it

51:16

does beg the question of like, if

51:18

they can move things around or if they can

51:20

like create hallucinations, don't you think that they for

51:22

a second would like make the room like totally

51:24

one color just to give you the inspiration? Just

51:26

to be like, see, instead of like a paint

51:28

chip, it's like, see what this could be. Oh,

51:31

like they can literally transport you into a dream of

51:33

yesteryear. They can't give you a dream of what the

51:35

room should look like. Great point. You

51:38

know, you don't have to like so passive aggressively paint

51:40

when we're not looking. Yeah, when we're not looking and

51:42

it's like, do you see it once you paint or

51:44

does it disappear? Like as a ghost, you know? But

51:47

also I'm like, maybe that vision he had of this

51:49

like old party, maybe that was like, see what you

51:51

could restore this beauty to. Maybe you wanna bring it

51:53

back. Look at the vibes. Don't you love the vibes?

51:56

Like the back of a toilet. It's great. One

51:59

toilet, 80. people here. Yeah, perfect.

52:01

What could go wrong? So

52:04

anyway, they're all saying, wow, she's doing a great job

52:06

painting through the winter. And he was like, that's not

52:08

happening. Then they said, Oh, you never told us you

52:10

had a son. And

52:12

it was like, or child's one.

52:15

You mean the grown man, always in

52:17

the bathroom. Who is that guy's obsessed

52:19

with the toilet? Um,

52:22

but so they were like, Oh, I didn't know you had a son.

52:24

And he was like, what are you talking about? They said, Oh, the

52:26

little boy, that's always running. Like we can see him through the windows.

52:28

He's always running from room to room. Like he's playing a game. No,

52:31

absolutely not. I like that the

52:33

game is running, running from room to room. Like,

52:35

okay, that's fun. Question mark. Like clearly an only

52:37

child. Um, and so, and he was like, and

52:39

not only that, but the lights are always turning

52:41

on and off. So we assumed that some people

52:43

were at least coming in and out of the

52:45

house while you weren't really, we thought you were

52:47

here. And

52:50

not only was there no son, the light

52:52

shouldn't have been going off and there was

52:54

nobody painting. But when Edwin went to go

52:56

look at the rooms that this little boy

52:58

was apparently running through, there's a wall now

53:00

in between those rooms. Oh,

53:02

intriguing. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

53:05

Um, on top of that, Lillian

53:07

and Edwin are now starting to hear someone playing

53:09

on their piano at night. They

53:12

can smell something burning in their bedroom. Oh

53:14

my. Suggestions of spontaneous

53:16

combustion. Interesting.

53:19

Yeah. And Edwin

53:21

would hear a woman singing at night, which ironically

53:23

would wake him up and then lull him back

53:25

to sleep. So it was doing both things. Like

53:27

when you get your armpits tickled. Yeah. Like what

53:29

in the fuck? Like wakes you up and walls

53:31

you right back to sleep. It's like, which of

53:33

these do you want? Yeah. Oh God. Um, and

53:37

he's having covers yanked off of him while

53:39

he sleeps. That I think honestly would be

53:42

my line anywhere. Like I absolutely agree. It's

53:44

one thing to have something it's because it's

53:46

touch and it's like two senses are being

53:48

at the same time. Like you

53:50

could see it happening and you can feel

53:53

it happening. It's very vulnerable off. I would

53:55

be like, Oh, because it's like, I'm trying

53:57

to sleep and like that will wake you

53:59

up. No, it's like, to me, I think

54:01

that's like probably the most like, like

54:04

actually disturbing. I

54:06

would run like a

54:08

cartoon, I would run out of the house

54:10

if someone pulled the cameras. Yeah, that would

54:12

be the most distressing. Yeah, I agree. Like

54:14

there's something about it, like,

54:18

first of all, not respecting physical boundaries, but

54:20

also when I'm in a very intimate state

54:22

of like being like

54:25

not on guard, horizontal,

54:28

under a blanket where mentally, since childhood, I've

54:30

told myself that's where I'm safe. Safe, yeah.

54:32

Like I just, every inch of it feels so gross. No, you're

54:34

100% right. It's bad, it's bad. So

54:37

they're pulling the covers off, they're waking them

54:39

up and lulling them to sleep. The doors

54:41

are slamming so loud that the house is

54:43

shaking. Edwin's discomfort is

54:45

growing, and eventually he starts seeing

54:47

a dark shadow swooping towards him,

54:50

morphing into a man. What?

54:53

And one day he actually looks down the hall and he

54:55

sees a man in flannel with dark

54:57

circles under his eyes and then vanish out

54:59

of nowhere. And it freaks Edwin out so

55:01

much. Sorry, I've got like a

55:03

little nose here, it's freaking me out. If you're watching

55:05

the YouTube and I just constantly look like I'm picking

55:08

my nose. I mean, I just keep muting myself to

55:10

blow my nose. So I think whatever you do is

55:12

not a problem. Something's happening. Anyway,

55:15

sorry for interrupting, let me say that again. His

55:18

discomfort is growing day by day. He's seeing a

55:20

dark shadow that morphs into a man. Then down

55:22

the hallway, he's seeing a man that is

55:25

dressed in flannel, has dark circles under his eyes,

55:27

and he vanishes. Edwin is

55:29

so freaked out by this that he needs to like

55:31

go get some air. So he leaves the house and

55:33

walks across the street to I guess like a diner

55:35

or a gas station or something with like some food

55:37

to grab. And

55:39

there's ambulances outside. So he

55:41

talks to the owner, he's like, what happened here? And

55:43

he said, oh, that man right there, he just had

55:45

a heart attack and died. And

55:48

it happened at the exact same moment that he saw

55:51

a man appear in his house, stare him down and

55:53

then vanish. Oh my God, wait, but was it the

55:55

same man or was it like a different man? Just

55:57

kind of- I assume it was the same man. Oh

55:59

my God. that the story was told. So it's almost

56:01

like this is like the, he

56:04

died and then like got like transported

56:06

into this haunted house for a

56:08

moment. It's like he found like the most

56:11

energy magnetic. Yes, yes, like a gateway type

56:13

thing. Yeah, ew, ew, ew. Things

56:16

are also happening to Lillian. Again, she's keeping

56:18

them from Edwin. And

56:21

they begin researching the Pierce Manor and

56:23

find at least five confirmed deaths somewhere

56:26

probably closer to seven. Oh no. Sylvester,

56:29

his two wives, a daughter-in-law and

56:31

a granddaughter all died in the

56:33

house. Eventually, Edward died in the

56:35

house. Oh no. And

56:39

a renter when it became a

56:41

boarding house. He also died of

56:43

smoke inhalation because they think

56:45

he fell asleep with a lit cigarette on his chest.

56:48

Oh my God. He died that

56:50

way. There's also rumors. There

56:53

were some sources I looked at and

56:56

they even mentioned it kind of in

56:58

the TV shows I watched. They

57:00

kind of mentioned, but there's no solid confirmation

57:02

that during the 1930s, it was the

57:04

Great Depression and the youngest son was

57:07

in charge of it and he was trying to keep up

57:09

with it financially. There was rumors that after his family died

57:11

in the house, he just turned it into like a gambling

57:13

hall and a brothel. And if

57:15

that's true, allegedly one of the sex

57:17

workers also died in the house. Oh,

57:20

interesting. Okay. But

57:22

we don't know for sure. So Edwin and

57:24

Lillian suspected that the man they keep

57:26

seeing in the office is also the

57:28

source of the burning smell and must

57:30

be the renter who died of smoke

57:32

inhalation. Jesus. Well, and like the fact

57:34

that that aligns so perfectly with a

57:37

ghost combust, you know, spontaneously

57:40

combusting. Oh, forget

57:43

it. Soon it's now

57:45

getting colder because it's getting further into

57:47

winter. And the couple

57:49

is using certain stoves to heat the

57:51

rooms because the old fireplaces are unusable

57:54

in today's world. So they

57:56

were using certain stoves to heat certain

57:59

rooms rooms were just running cold. In

58:02

one of these warm rooms, Edwin wakes

58:04

up to Lillian Humming, and

58:07

she's dressed nicely, which is odd considering

58:09

her usual routine of not leaving the

58:11

house. Not dressing nicely. That's

58:13

really nice, isn't it? If Alvin saw me

58:15

dress nicely, though, she would be

58:17

like, where are you going? Like, what happened? Who

58:19

died? Like, if they saw you in a dress,

58:22

he'd be like, girl, what's happening? He'd be like,

58:24

did I forget something? Yes, yes,

58:26

truly. He probably did have a panic like that. So

58:29

anyway, he is like, OK, that's weird.

58:31

She's in a really good mood. She's dressed up. And

58:33

he assumed that she was going out for the day

58:35

and just kind of left it at that, or had

58:37

errands to run or was meeting a friend. She

58:41

didn't seem to mind that the rooms she

58:43

was walking through that day were the really

58:46

cold ones that didn't have any heat. Oh.

58:49

So he was like, that's kind of weird. And then he even said,

58:51

where are you going? And she didn't

58:53

talk to him. She didn't respond. So

58:56

then Edwin's like, OK, she's humming happily.

58:58

She's not responding to me. She's dressing

59:00

out of character. She's going into the

59:02

colder rooms. Like, she's so creepy. Feels

59:05

creepy. Anyway, she

59:07

leaves. And he's like, I'll be done with that. OK, go do

59:09

whatever you were going to do. You're freaking out. While

59:12

he's doing his own work around the house, he

59:14

assumes that she'd been gone for hours, but then

59:16

later goes and sees that her car never left

59:18

the driveway. And

59:21

so he starts looking for her around the

59:23

house and finds her in the basement digging.

59:27

In her fucking nice dress, forget it. She

59:29

had been digging all day. Her clothes are

59:31

filthy. And when he tried to stop her,

59:33

she screams at him, just leave me alone

59:36

and let me finish. I

59:38

know. Absolutely not. Homegirl

59:41

finds a pelvic bone. They

59:45

take her to the cops. It's discovered that

59:47

it's not human. It's animal. But

59:50

Lillian is somehow disappointed because she then

59:52

says later she thought that the boy

59:55

that everyone had been seeing and all

59:57

the neighbors had been seeing in the

59:59

windows. She thought the boy

1:00:01

was trying to talk to her or had

1:00:03

communicated to her some way that he was

1:00:05

murdered and buried in the house. Oh dear.

1:00:09

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1:00:11

signs to find him. Oh

1:00:13

dear. Then we

1:00:16

never hear about those previous neighbors ever

1:00:18

again who saw the boy in the window, but new

1:00:21

neighbors move in. And

1:00:23

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1:00:26

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1:00:28

the new family says, oh, my

1:00:30

son keeps wondering when your son's gonna

1:00:32

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1:00:34

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1:00:37

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1:00:40

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1:00:43

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1:00:46

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1:00:48

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So the mom is like, I think the mom assumed that

1:03:37

this kid had come downstairs at some point. She was like,

1:03:40

Oh yeah, he tells my son all the time to come

1:03:42

play with him. Oh my God, if kids

1:03:44

only knew what they were saying to us. Then

1:03:47

they wouldn't tell us. Then they would not tell

1:03:49

us. So then

1:03:51

Edwin even talked to the new neighborhood

1:03:53

boy who confirmed that there was a

1:03:55

little boy there upstairs who

1:03:57

kept also telling him not only can you... over

1:03:59

and play, but there's a big hallway for us

1:04:02

to run in. Imagine

1:04:04

talking to that kid and being like, now are

1:04:06

you sure it's this house? Right. Right. Right. Could

1:04:08

it possibly be 705? And

1:04:11

also like 216. And also

1:04:13

the hallway you can run in. Imagine if you got to the

1:04:16

house thinking, I'm going to run through this big ass fucking hallway

1:04:18

and then there's a wall in the middle of it. It's like,

1:04:20

well, this isn't as fun as it was promised to me. The

1:04:22

fucking other boy, well, but then the other boy runs through the

1:04:24

wall. And you're like, this kid's fucking cool. You

1:04:26

know, you're like, oh shit, teach me how to do

1:04:29

that. It's like he's Harry pottering this fucking thing. This

1:04:31

is amazing. So at this

1:04:33

point, now the activity in the house is

1:04:35

even more undeniable. The window screens will blow

1:04:37

themselves in with no wind. Dishes are falling

1:04:39

all the time. Doors are opening and closing.

1:04:41

Children's footsteps are in the attic. Sometimes the

1:04:43

footsteps would run all the way downstairs to

1:04:45

the bedroom and then go silent as if

1:04:47

it stops right at the room. Absolutely not.

1:04:49

I beg to differ at that point. Just

1:04:51

keep running in like it's like, what did

1:04:53

you go? You might as well. One

1:04:56

night, the dogs were fixated on something

1:04:58

on the top of the stairs and Lillian said,

1:05:00

all right, look, apparently there's ghosts here. Like if

1:05:02

you really want to talk to us, just come

1:05:05

out and say something like you're bothering the dogs.

1:05:07

If you really want to be here, just do

1:05:09

something about it. Own up to it. Right. And

1:05:12

what she heard back was apparently

1:05:14

the most insane demonic roar you've

1:05:17

ever heard. Oh, you

1:05:19

hate to hear that. You hate to

1:05:21

hear a portal open like that. Oh,

1:05:23

hey, you hate to invite that into

1:05:25

your home by mistake. Oh, shit. Whoopsie

1:05:27

daisies. So Edwin is like,

1:05:29

hey, fuck that. Fuck that

1:05:31

big time all the way down and

1:05:34

said, how about I? It's

1:05:36

2009. It's the height of

1:05:39

Facebook dot com. Oh, wow. You

1:05:41

mean the Facebook dot com? Yeah,

1:05:43

the Facebook. Yeah. The Book of

1:05:45

Faces. And I'm

1:05:47

going to create me a little Facebook page and

1:05:50

it's going to be about this house. And I'm going to ask

1:05:52

for any information that anyone has in this house, because what on

1:05:54

earth is going on here? I see. I see paranormal

1:05:57

investigators fly to this Facebook page.

1:06:00

and curious neighbors are now like, I'm

1:06:03

sure making it worse with the game of telephone. And

1:06:06

basically his inbox is flooded with not

1:06:08

only information but requests to tour it

1:06:11

or investigate. Oh,

1:06:13

so Edwin begins entertaining investigative

1:06:16

teams coming through on overnight stays, which I

1:06:18

think is so fun because he was doing

1:06:21

it like he, I

1:06:23

guess a ghost hunting overnight stays, maybe

1:06:25

wasn't as popular as it is today.

1:06:28

So it wasn't like a real etiquette towards it, but

1:06:30

he would just stay in the house while they were

1:06:32

there. So he would just be like, well, I'm going

1:06:34

in for the night and just go upstairs and go

1:06:37

to sleep. Oh, keep it that boys. He would just

1:06:39

hit the hay and let them do whatever they wanted.

1:06:42

And he would charge people and the

1:06:44

fees would go to renovating the house. So he thought he was

1:06:46

like doing a, it was

1:06:48

all working out. Lillian however, she

1:06:51

was like, well, I don't like these strangers coming in and out

1:06:53

of our house. And I'm like fair girl, but also all of

1:06:55

your opinions so far are not landing.

1:06:58

So far, if it were up to you, we should stay

1:07:00

in this house and not do anything about these ghosts.

1:07:02

And like you were disappointed there weren't human

1:07:04

bones in the basement. I think we don't

1:07:07

trust your judgment anymore. Like

1:07:09

I get in hindsight and as a third party, I

1:07:11

understand she was like just being affected differently by this

1:07:13

house. But if I were Edwin, I'd be like, what

1:07:15

is going on with my fucking wife? Like I get

1:07:17

a grip girlfriend. It's like, if this can help us

1:07:19

at all, like maybe these people could come in and

1:07:22

get rid of them. Exactly. Like,

1:07:24

so I, but I also understand like, I don't want

1:07:26

strangers in our house while we're sleeping. They could fucking

1:07:28

rob us. To be fair, I don't ever want strangers

1:07:30

in my house. So I get it on that alone.

1:07:33

But at the same time, I think Edwin was like, let

1:07:35

me just try to fucking fix this. So yeah. And

1:07:39

you know, I got to give Lillian some credit. She

1:07:41

was like, I don't know about these strangers. They could

1:07:43

be up to some shady shit. And a lot of

1:07:45

the investigators were not considered of the fact that this

1:07:47

was somebody's fucking house, let alone probably a historical landmark.

1:07:49

If not, it should be. It's people who do ghost

1:07:52

hunting like you and me. It's like when they send

1:07:54

those waivers and we read them and we're like, wow,

1:07:56

like, it's so sad. They have to write all this

1:07:58

in here. Like don't. break the light

1:08:00

fixtures and don't like touch

1:08:03

this or that and don't go into

1:08:05

the locked rooms. People wanna steal things

1:08:07

like at the Whaley House or at

1:08:09

the Queen Mary, people wanna take something.

1:08:12

Jesus. The amount of times that in

1:08:14

the state room B340 is

1:08:16

at the most haunted room, the room door

1:08:19

plaque keeps

1:08:21

getting stolen so they just had to stop putting a

1:08:24

plaque up. They don't even label it anymore, yeah. Yeah,

1:08:26

so if you wanna know what room it is, it's the room without a fucking label.

1:08:28

Yeah, there you go. Which

1:08:31

works just as good. So, anyway,

1:08:34

so she was right that some of the investigators

1:08:36

were like, not totally, well, some were up to

1:08:38

some shady shit, some of them were just disrespectful.

1:08:40

Like one of them straight up clogged their toilets.

1:08:43

Like, Frank would be pissed. You

1:08:47

know he came back from the dead just for

1:08:49

that. He was like, I don't know the thing.

1:08:52

Not in toilet town, I say. So

1:08:56

Edwin Cott, actually this is like probably the

1:08:58

shittiest thing that happened, is he woke up

1:09:00

from like a deep sleep one night and

1:09:02

just felt like something was off and went

1:09:04

downstairs and saw the investigators stealing historical documents

1:09:06

from their basement. That's

1:09:09

crazy. What is wrong, like people just can't

1:09:12

get a grip, you know? But

1:09:15

anyway, so Lillian was not

1:09:17

down with this, but she could see that the

1:09:19

events that he was hosting gave

1:09:21

Edwin something to control finally about this house and

1:09:24

like look forward to. And also probably having more

1:09:26

people in the house made him feel safer in

1:09:28

some way. Like it just said

1:09:30

the power of numbers. Like if I were in a haunted

1:09:32

house and there was 20 of us, I'd feel a lot

1:09:34

less haunted or threatened by this than just me. Like targeted

1:09:36

almost, yeah. So she

1:09:38

let them continue, but the more

1:09:41

people that investigated, the more active the hauntings

1:09:43

became because they were stirring shit up. So

1:09:46

now the house is, there's more growling

1:09:48

throughout the house. There's, they're getting EVPs

1:09:50

with strange commands, like look under the

1:09:52

bed. Oh no, that's,

1:09:54

no. Something is touching people's hands

1:09:57

and faces and necks. Things are following people.

1:09:59

home, which like honestly, good. It's now out

1:10:02

of my house, you know, like, yeah, you

1:10:04

take it with you. If someone was coming

1:10:06

into my house to talk to the ghosts

1:10:08

that were scary and now they're

1:10:10

leaving with those ghosts. Like I'm not going to say

1:10:12

a single thing about that. Take them, take them with

1:10:15

you. One woman who was

1:10:17

visiting actually got pushed down the stairs and then caught

1:10:19

by something else, which like where there's

1:10:21

like two, she was the monkey in the middle. I

1:10:23

was going to say they're playing monkey. There was also

1:10:25

a little I

1:10:29

do what I deleted you off the screen

1:10:31

by accident. I got too excited about monkey

1:10:33

in the middle. You're back. Uh,

1:10:36

there was also a

1:10:39

little girl who was now being seen in

1:10:41

the hallways greeting people. Oh, okay.

1:10:43

Oh, she's like, hi, I'm the, I've

1:10:45

been hired as the guest liaison. Like,

1:10:48

what are you doing? Um,

1:10:50

they think that she might have been the granddaughter

1:10:52

of the pierces who died in the home. So,

1:10:55

uh, and she's just saying hi to

1:10:57

people. Okay. Some

1:10:59

psychics were now coming through second cause of

1:11:01

mediums and they said that they saw a

1:11:03

woman who was strangled to death in one

1:11:05

of the bedrooms. Oh no. Which

1:11:08

probably led to, it came from that

1:11:10

brothel story. Yeah. Um, one

1:11:13

of the rooms, it was one of the rooms where

1:11:15

women felt most uncomfortable. Go figure. They

1:11:17

also sense two dark entities in the basement.

1:11:20

The young boy, everyone was saying allegedly was

1:11:22

drowned in the basement. Sister. Oh my God.

1:11:27

And a psychic also told Edwin that one

1:11:29

ghost named Maddie who used to be, she

1:11:31

used to look over

1:11:33

the, um, the Pierce children. She used to work

1:11:35

there in the house. Apparently Maddie

1:11:38

is the one who woke him up in the middle

1:11:40

of the night to catch the guys and rescue the

1:11:42

documents. Oh wow. Now

1:11:45

that's interesting. Another

1:11:47

investigator actually said that they got

1:11:49

attacked multiple times in that house

1:11:51

and got scratched in the shape

1:11:53

of the Roman numeral four. And

1:11:55

he actually is like the fourth

1:11:58

of his name. That's

1:12:01

icky. That's really icky. Right

1:12:03

after he got scratched, the

1:12:05

ovulus said, squeeze every throat.

1:12:08

Oh, that's horrible.

1:12:12

Our obelisk always says orchard. Apple.

1:12:14

Yeah. It's always apple and orchard.

1:12:16

Like, fucking. We're not on

1:12:18

an apple orchard for the millionth time, machine. Like,

1:12:21

I, I, yeah, I

1:12:24

never know what to do with it. Every, we've never

1:12:26

used the ovulus and not gotten the word apple at

1:12:28

some fucking point or orchard. Then I'm like,

1:12:30

is that, are we supposed to take note

1:12:32

of that? I don't know. I'm like, have we been on

1:12:34

an orchard every single time and we just don't know it? Yeah.

1:12:37

In the middle of the ocean on the

1:12:39

Queen Mary. Yeah, right. Exactly. Is this the

1:12:42

place of an apple orchard? I

1:12:45

do wonder, I do wonder what if it's

1:12:47

one of the machine is haunted by some

1:12:49

like apple orchard farmsman. That's not a word.

1:12:52

An apple farmer, a tree man. Yeah. A

1:12:54

farmsman, like I said. An

1:12:56

orchards man. Are you okay, Christine? No,

1:12:59

I'm not. So the same investigator who

1:13:01

mentioned Maddie, the ghost who used to

1:13:03

watch over the kids, apparently she's still

1:13:05

there managing this entire fucking house, trying

1:13:07

to take care of all of the

1:13:09

other spirits in there. And

1:13:11

Maddie has only stepped forward to talk

1:13:13

to the psychics to let investigators know

1:13:15

that she is losing control of the

1:13:17

spirits because she had control of what

1:13:19

was currently in the house. But now

1:13:21

with all these new investigators bringing things

1:13:24

in, there's like a whole new group

1:13:26

of people. People are coming in and

1:13:28

out and she can't do her part

1:13:30

on her end. And so now it's

1:13:32

coming into our world and affecting us.

1:13:35

Oh, no, not again. Which if Maddie

1:13:37

was that astute and

1:13:39

like well-spoken, amazing, but this also kind

1:13:41

of sounds like maybe something a psychic

1:13:43

got pieces of and built a story,

1:13:45

built a narrative. Yeah, it seems like

1:13:47

a lot of words. Or

1:13:49

it sounds like someone could have just said Maddie

1:13:51

on the ovulus and then Zach went, is this

1:13:53

the caretaker of the home? Who

1:13:57

decided that the entire portal

1:13:59

is. And is now

1:14:01

losing control of all the spirits? Wait, what is it, Zach?

1:14:04

Do you know that? What's happening? He

1:14:06

loves determining things. He

1:14:08

loves to read in between the

1:14:10

lines. So

1:14:13

anyway, that's the story that like Maddie was saying, like,

1:14:16

you got to stop bringing these investigators in because I'm

1:14:18

losing control on my end, so you're losing control on

1:14:20

your end. Which like, if Maddie was here all along,

1:14:22

then why were people getting freaked out from the beginning?

1:14:25

But okay. Before

1:14:27

investigators got there, shouldn't

1:14:29

you have had a rain on the people who were

1:14:31

like spontaneously investing? Well, okay. Yeah, that's a little out

1:14:33

of control. Maybe she just had some that she was

1:14:35

like, I can't. Like, it's above my feet grade. That

1:14:38

guy, I just don't deal with. That guy is just

1:14:40

over. That guy you gotta just deal with on your

1:14:42

own. Um, anyway,

1:14:44

that's the story we're going with.

1:14:46

During one investigation, despite being told,

1:14:48

stop doing investigations. Even mediums and

1:14:50

psychics coming on investigations were saying

1:14:52

stop doing investigations. During one

1:14:54

final investigation, a psychic and Lillian at the

1:14:56

same time fainted. Oh,

1:14:59

no. And then Lillian didn't wake

1:15:01

up for three days. What?

1:15:04

And when she came to, she asked Edwin, why haven't you tried

1:15:06

to fucking wake me up or feed me or see if I

1:15:08

need to go to the bathroom or call a hospital? And

1:15:11

he also couldn't remember the last three days. He had

1:15:14

been in a total trance. Wait, she was in the

1:15:16

house this whole time? For three days.

1:15:18

Oh, I thought like for sure in a hospital at

1:15:20

least. No, she fainted and then they just, he just

1:15:22

brought her, carried her to bed and she just never

1:15:24

woke up for three days. And

1:15:27

for those same three

1:15:29

days, he was in a trance and completely

1:15:31

cannot remember anything about those three days or

1:15:33

why he didn't, why he didn't

1:15:35

panic. Sounds like an ass leak. Yeah,

1:15:37

right. Actually, that's a great point. That's

1:15:40

scary. From those three days, the only

1:15:42

thing he remembers is that every night

1:15:44

he would see a woman in white

1:15:46

floating upstairs and sobbing uncontrollably. He's

1:15:49

like, I do remember one thing. You're not

1:15:51

gonna like it. That one, it must've been the one who

1:15:53

knows how to wake him up from a deep sleep while

1:15:56

he, while singing or something. That's right, yes, yes, yes. She

1:15:58

has some sort of strength. hold

1:16:00

on these people. Yeah. It's like

1:16:02

he would just she just lulled them to sleep for

1:16:05

three days to like win a contest. I get

1:16:07

it. So

1:16:09

a psychic again, then

1:16:11

sees a woman behind Lillian with her

1:16:14

hand on Lillian's shoulder and

1:16:16

takes this as an omen.

1:16:18

And around this time as

1:16:20

when Edwin and Lillian, maybe

1:16:22

the shoulder thing happened first, but the fainting thing and

1:16:25

waking up was when they were

1:16:27

ready to fucking leave. That was, uh, that was

1:16:29

too far. Yeah. Got it. And they knew that

1:16:31

the tours should probably stop too, but they were

1:16:33

like, well, one, we can't afford the upkeep or

1:16:35

the renovations without doing tours. And two, if we're

1:16:37

not even going to live here, it's not like

1:16:39

we're putting ourselves in harm's way. So let's just

1:16:42

keep the tour was going. I can understand that.

1:16:45

However, Edwin, um, they're still

1:16:47

looking for a way to get out of there. Edwin

1:16:49

is getting angrier. Lillian one day, uh,

1:16:52

this, oh, this was the final straw. Lillian is

1:16:54

one day lying in bed. She hasn't even gone

1:16:57

to sleep yet, but she just lies down and

1:16:59

then realizes out of nowhere, she's fully paralyzed and

1:17:02

screams for Edwin. She and the

1:17:04

thing that she's screaming is get

1:17:06

her off of me. And

1:17:10

obviously nobody's there. Oh my

1:17:12

God. Edwin is

1:17:14

trying to like roll her or push her because

1:17:17

Lillian is like, just get me, like, just break

1:17:19

me out of this. Like on me, just break

1:17:22

this. And apparently it didn't, he

1:17:24

couldn't do anything. He couldn't move or he couldn't roll her. It

1:17:26

felt like there was somebody else on top of her. And

1:17:29

only after like significant prayer, did it go away

1:17:31

after a while. Oh no. This

1:17:35

was their final straw. And they moved in immediately

1:17:37

with Lillian sister who I think like the day

1:17:39

before close on her house, she was like, I

1:17:41

close on my house and they went, you were

1:17:43

over there. Yep. Guest room ready. All right. Well,

1:17:47

no longer, which by the way, she

1:17:49

should have seen coming if she's going

1:17:51

to show them videos of their haunted

1:17:53

house. Exactly. Girl, come on. So

1:17:56

while no longer living there, they continue

1:17:58

the tours, including our favorite. Could

1:18:01

this be? Oh, Zachary

1:18:03

comes. Zachary comes. Oh, but not on

1:18:05

a tour for certain. He buys out

1:18:07

the whole place. He buys out the whole

1:18:10

place. But not enough to let them just

1:18:12

finish out the renovations. Just enough of

1:18:14

whatever he needed. Just enough. And

1:18:18

so a whole bunch of people do tours.

1:18:20

Eventually the city made them stop doing tours.

1:18:22

I don't know what the drama was there,

1:18:24

but it sounds like there was beef between

1:18:27

the psychics and then local

1:18:29

investigators. And it sounds

1:18:31

like the psychics got the place shut down

1:18:33

out of spite. That's what it sounds like.

1:18:36

Which I, more drama in Chair

1:18:38

City. Oh my God, Chair City

1:18:41

is fucking full of drama. I can't get

1:18:43

enough. TLC,

1:18:45

get on it. I know. In

1:18:48

2015, the building was sold to a Halloween

1:18:50

haunted attraction company, of course. Oh my God.

1:18:52

But then I guess they don't do that

1:18:54

anymore or maybe they share their time. What

1:18:56

year was it you said? Okay.

1:19:00

So I don't know if they still do. I think a

1:19:02

lot of places like that closed during COVID too. Yeah, right.

1:19:06

Today they have reopened for history

1:19:08

tours. Oh cool. But visitors

1:19:10

trying to cleanse the house or talk to

1:19:12

spirits is like totally forbidden. You get kicked

1:19:14

off the team immediately. Wow. And

1:19:16

tours do not include the basement because

1:19:19

so many guides refuse to go down

1:19:21

there. Okay. And then

1:19:23

when Zachary went, he

1:19:25

tried to tell a storyline that there

1:19:28

was another person who lived there named

1:19:30

Jay Stemmerman that no

1:19:32

sources I saw were talking about. But

1:19:36

it's, so he like called a researcher who said,

1:19:38

you should look into this guy. He sounds like

1:19:40

a not so great guy who lived there. And

1:19:43

then another researcher said, Jay

1:19:46

is what brought in the darkness, but then like

1:19:48

refused to comment any further. And you can even

1:19:51

see Zach get like upset about it. She was

1:19:53

like, I don't want to open that door. And

1:19:56

Zach was like, we're here to open the door. I

1:19:58

punch it right open. He literally said, but

1:20:00

we're here to open the door. Oh my

1:20:03

God. And she was like, no. And then

1:20:05

it was immediately open. You know how distraught

1:20:07

he was about that too. He was pissed,

1:20:09

I'm sure. But so when they

1:20:12

go in there, they did actually hear some

1:20:14

pretty serious bangs that made no sense. Shuffling,

1:20:16

one of their cameras died.

1:20:18

They heard a woman's voice. Something touched Aaron's shoulder.

1:20:20

And then they got an EVP of a

1:20:22

weird command saying, go to sleep. Ew,

1:20:25

no, thank you. And

1:20:27

then the spirit box got, he's here.

1:20:30

When asked what their name was, he got the name

1:20:33

David, which was

1:20:35

a name they had heard earlier in their

1:20:37

questioning. They said, do

1:20:39

you remember Edwin? And they got a little girl saying,

1:20:41

hi, which sounded like a little girl greeting.

1:20:45

Do you want us to leave the house? The spirit

1:20:47

box said no. Do you want us to sell the

1:20:49

house? The spirit box said not sure. And then who

1:20:51

was the woman who lived here? The spirit box said

1:20:53

Lillian. Oh, that's interesting.

1:20:56

And that is the, that's what I got for you

1:20:58

on the. I think, wow, that's

1:21:01

one of my favorite stories you've ever done, I

1:21:03

think. That was a really good one. I

1:21:05

was trying to do lightning round. It was double

1:21:07

the set of notes that I usually do. And

1:21:10

I was worried about time. So I was flying

1:21:12

through it. Maybe that's what kept your attention. Maybe.

1:21:16

It was really well done. And honestly, that was

1:21:18

one of the scarier ones I've heard from you

1:21:20

in a lot. One of the ones that actually

1:21:23

got to me, which I feel like I've

1:21:25

become somewhat jaded over the years, but that really freaked

1:21:27

me out a bit. But anyway,

1:21:29

yeah, that's there. There she is. Very

1:21:31

well done. Thank you. Thank you.

1:21:34

Now I'm doing something a little

1:21:37

different today. Uh-oh.

1:21:40

For the first time ever. Oh

1:21:42

God. So

1:21:44

we, you and I have both done this

1:21:46

together as a planned episode, but

1:21:49

I have never really done

1:21:51

a whole episode topic that's

1:21:54

an update on a previous case. Oh.

1:21:58

Like a recap slash update. Today,

1:22:02

I am doing an

1:22:04

extended plus

1:22:07

updated version of

1:22:09

Gypsy Rose Blanchard. I

1:22:12

ought to kiss you on the mouth. Are you kidding me? Please

1:22:14

don't. I'm very ill. You're not

1:22:16

going to feel good afterward. Okay.

1:22:20

Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. So

1:22:23

it felt timely, right? With Gypsy Rose getting

1:22:25

out of prison in December and being all

1:22:28

over social media. And of course, when we

1:22:30

first covered this case in 2017, by the

1:22:32

way, if you're wondering, it

1:22:37

was not, there was no, we

1:22:40

barely had a podcast. It was episode 15. Like

1:22:42

we'd only been doing it for like a couple months. And

1:22:45

so- So this is your actual, like this is really

1:22:47

just fully well done research now instead of- I

1:22:50

got to tell you, maybe one of the reasons I

1:22:52

had such a fitful sleep was that before bed I

1:22:54

listened to episode 15 of our podcast. You can't do

1:22:57

that. Yeah. It was a bad

1:22:59

idea. I had to, because I was like, I have to

1:23:01

know how I, but oh boy. People

1:23:03

ask if we listen to our own podcast.

1:23:05

And if I were to, I certainly wouldn't

1:23:07

go- Not the old ones. I certainly wouldn't

1:23:10

even touch those. Back in

1:23:12

my reading the Reddit days, people would be like, I'm trying

1:23:14

to start and that's how I drink and I just can't

1:23:16

get into it. I don't understand. And then people would be

1:23:18

like, start at episode 50 or like a

1:23:20

hundred. I'm like, I get it. I also wouldn't like

1:23:22

it if I had to start episode one. And to

1:23:25

be fair, like there's like the, my brother and my

1:23:27

brother podcast, they have six, 700 episodes

1:23:30

now. And I

1:23:32

remember when I first started listening, I started at episode one

1:23:34

and everyone was like, that's a terrible

1:23:36

idea. And then like, you know, you

1:23:38

get- Yeah, you got to- You

1:23:40

got to start at 250 and I was like,

1:23:43

are you serious? But it's a complete shift. Like

1:23:45

you can see years of like, they've just developed,

1:23:47

you know, in numerous ways. So I just

1:23:49

want to give a warning to everybody. Like you can listen to

1:23:51

15. It's like a

1:23:53

little meh. I mean, listen, it's

1:23:56

funny. Like we're funny, I guess, but we

1:23:59

sound different. Like our voices

1:24:01

are completely different and I know you know that

1:24:03

too because we've listened to a couple episodes recently

1:24:05

for like research purposes And we

1:24:07

have these like radio voices. It's

1:24:09

so troubling radio voices. I Hear

1:24:13

myself sounding like like a newscaster

1:24:15

almost insecure like I'm like putting

1:24:17

on like a voice, you know

1:24:20

Maybe we just weren't used to microphones in our no I

1:24:22

don't think we were because we were like presenting a like

1:24:24

a presenting a paper almost it was like It

1:24:27

just felt very like I was nervous, you know

1:24:29

or something I also like again like podcasting was

1:24:31

not what it is today Like I don't think

1:24:33

we knew what we were supposed to know we

1:24:35

were just winging it So

1:24:38

it's fun for that like a throwback, but

1:24:40

I don't want anyone to be like wow

1:24:42

I'm gonna you know rethink this podcast after

1:24:44

this episode I will say the first thing

1:24:46

I did on the episode is I violated

1:24:48

HIPAA. Um, and so that's a good

1:24:50

start for me. I Absolutely

1:24:53

started talking about one of blazes patience and I was

1:24:55

like, this is not a thing I'm supposed to be

1:24:57

doing and I think even in the episode I was

1:24:59

like, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this

1:25:02

anyway It's like Like

1:25:04

you're like we sounded like official newscasters.

1:25:06

I did not I did not say

1:25:08

that I said we sounded insecure Like

1:25:11

we were putting on airs and that

1:25:13

is exactly what we sound like newscasters

1:25:15

Farthest thing from it. Okay. Um, I will

1:25:17

also add that in the intro you were

1:25:20

very homesick So I thought that was a

1:25:22

fun little tidbit. Well,

1:25:25

that's very lovely You said somebody at work had made oh,

1:25:27

by the way, we both were talking about being staying

1:25:30

late in the office I'm like

1:25:32

lol the office Then

1:25:34

you said somebody made somebody called

1:25:37

people with couches in their bedrooms

1:25:39

tacky And so then you got really

1:25:42

upset and homesick because of your home

1:25:44

having a couch I I had I

1:25:46

had two couches in my bedroom. Yeah.

1:25:48

Yeah, so that's extra tacky. No kidding

1:25:51

Certainly probably so no kid, you know, it's

1:25:54

like it's what like people are stupid Okay,

1:25:56

and then guess who got introduced

1:25:58

classic Kevin for the first time. Oh, wow.

1:26:00

He touched the chair in Thirsk, the haunted chair.

1:26:03

And that was I was like, Oh, and then

1:26:05

I told my story of the white hand for

1:26:07

the first time, Carl and the white hand and

1:26:09

I listened back and I was like, I missed

1:26:11

like so many big things. And

1:26:13

then there was one quote I wanted to

1:26:16

like, just leave the leave this little recap

1:26:18

with which is you saying, you

1:26:21

literally say, Oh, it's

1:26:23

actually really fitting today to you said, Bernardo

1:26:25

flaster scene is on my baby name list.

1:26:28

And like it got me so good because I

1:26:30

said there was one doctor named Bernardo fluster scene.

1:26:32

He said, Oh yeah, that's on my baby name

1:26:34

list. And it got me really good.

1:26:36

And then today with all this talk of Sylvester, I

1:26:38

thought it was a fitting little review and also a

1:26:41

CK touching the chair when we're talking about chair

1:26:44

city. Oh, see, okay. It's

1:26:46

working. Does the case stand for

1:26:48

Keith or maybe the states case stands

1:26:50

for Kevin. Of course it's

1:26:53

for Kevin. No, that's actually, you know,

1:26:57

I mean, like we should have thought

1:26:59

for Kevin not Keith. What am I

1:27:01

thinking? We're idiots. Big, big dumb idiots.

1:27:04

Nothing has changed. Anyway,

1:27:06

it was embarrassing to listen to, but I think

1:27:08

it would have been embarrassing no matter what we

1:27:10

did or said, because it's us what

1:27:12

seven years ago. It's well, I'm very

1:27:15

happy that we're talking about gypsy

1:27:18

rose today because I have been wondering,

1:27:20

I knew you were gonna cause at

1:27:22

some point she's all over the place.

1:27:24

Yeah. It's almost like I, I, I'm

1:27:27

not surprised you're doing it now because I know a

1:27:29

lot of times when things are sensationalized, you wait for

1:27:31

it to calm down so that we've got all the

1:27:33

facts and she has calmed down a bit. So it's

1:27:35

sort of like, and I will also give major credit

1:27:37

to Saoirse for like keeping an eye out and being

1:27:39

like, Hey, when's the right cause like we both had

1:27:41

known or at least I had known I wanted to cover

1:27:43

it for a while. I don't remember like the extent to

1:27:45

which Saoirse and I talked about it, but

1:27:47

I remember them emailing me or messaging me on

1:27:50

Slack and being like, I

1:27:52

think it's the time. I think it's time. And I was like,

1:27:55

you're right. It's time. And

1:27:57

so this is kind of an update cause you're right.

1:27:59

It kind of calmed down and

1:28:01

you know, I just googled

1:28:03

her to see what's going on. Just

1:28:07

some pregnancy updates on Yahoo news,

1:28:09

like nothing too salacious. So

1:28:11

I feel like it's a good time to take a

1:28:13

little peek in the history. Shall

1:28:16

we crack into it? Let's crack

1:28:18

into it. Oh,

1:28:21

Em, it's like the old times. And you know, it's

1:28:23

so funny. We were like 10 minutes into our intro

1:28:25

and you said, now we have been talking way too

1:28:27

long. I'm not even gonna do milkshake facts today. And

1:28:31

I was like, whoa, okay. And so

1:28:33

we like wrapped up the intro. And then at the end

1:28:35

you were like, stop talking. We have to go. And you

1:28:37

were like, and that's why we drink. And I was like,

1:28:39

wow, Em is like fucking. I used to

1:28:41

be more on the clock about it. You were time sensitive.

1:28:44

You were on the line because we had two jobs. I

1:28:46

was like, I gotta get to bed. Now I just gaffed.

1:28:48

We gotta stay late in the office tomorrow. I was like,

1:28:50

what? I was like, somebody's be mean

1:28:52

about my couches or something. No, yeah, you needed

1:28:54

to be bullied at work the next day. So

1:28:57

I did. I had to rein it in because

1:28:59

I was obviously drinking. And then I go, oh, I'm

1:29:01

drinking this Chardonnay. It's called Willowtail or some shit. And

1:29:03

I'm like, what am I talking about? I'm like, it's

1:29:05

one of my favorites. I'm like, what am I saying?

1:29:08

I'm making, I don't even know what that is. I

1:29:10

mean, maybe it was my favorite seven years ago, but.

1:29:12

I will say just to give a full update,

1:29:14

like a full update all the way through. If

1:29:16

I was talking about the

1:29:19

office back then, if there was somebody I was ever

1:29:21

complaining about, I'm sure there's other episodes, I'm taking my

1:29:23

meds by the way. If

1:29:26

there was one person or prop

1:29:28

master I

1:29:31

was talking about back then who used to always bother me,

1:29:35

well, there's a few of them. But I

1:29:38

remember back then always having a problem with this one

1:29:40

person. And I will tell you an update that recently

1:29:42

passed away. Oh, no. And so now

1:29:44

I don't know how to feel about it. But if

1:29:46

you listen back to me being particularly cruel about any

1:29:49

few people, one of them might

1:29:51

not know that they're dead. Thanks, Ellen.

1:29:53

I just know that we

1:29:56

saw that through. And now I feel a

1:29:58

little guilty about it. Now they're haunting Ellen.

1:30:00

For eternity. No, they say well, I

1:30:03

don't know maybe Whatever, whatever,

1:30:05

you know, I'll text you about this later. Okay.

1:30:07

Oh, okay Anyway, that's the update on

1:30:09

my old prop life is that the person I did

1:30:11

not like is no longer with us And I don't

1:30:13

know how to feel about it. All right P and

1:30:15

that's why I drink So

1:30:19

gypsy Rose Blanchard and as Saoirse added extended

1:30:22

with new information and updates on her release

1:30:24

and If you have not

1:30:26

listened to us cover the case on gypsy Rose,

1:30:28

you do not have to however if

1:30:30

you don't know the story at all, I would

1:30:32

recommend listening to an episode

1:30:35

or watching a docu-series or something about it

1:30:37

because I do cover the story, but

1:30:39

it's not quite as like maybe

1:30:43

in-depth and like Alarming

1:30:46

as maybe I mean, it's very alarming obviously

1:30:48

But I think I'm telling the story now

1:30:50

with more of an insight into the actual

1:30:52

case Versus I just doing

1:30:54

research cover. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I

1:30:56

feel like I'm I obviously

1:30:58

know the story I know the

1:31:00

bare bones of it But I actively don't watch

1:31:03

anything true crime because I know eventually might cover

1:31:05

it So if it hasn't been brought

1:31:07

onto my tick-tock algorithm, I don't know about it Which

1:31:09

means I probably actually know the aftermath a lot better

1:31:11

than the early part You probably know

1:31:13

more about gypsy Rose than I do at this point.

1:31:15

Um, I I will say it was I

1:31:19

Do feel bad and I want to apologize

1:31:21

with a laugh Like I

1:31:23

want to apologize but also laugh about it

1:31:25

because I can so see now

1:31:28

why you have this paranoia of like

1:31:30

making a judgment call during my stories

1:31:32

and then because you were like So

1:31:36

it's something I should rot in hell or whatever that

1:31:38

it's like I was clearly baiting you because I you

1:31:40

didn't know the Story at all. So I was like

1:31:42

telling the story of like, oh they got

1:31:44

you know Dee Dee Blanchard

1:31:46

was murdered and you were like who could do that to this

1:31:49

woman? She's worked so hard yeah, and it's just so funny because

1:31:51

I'm like, well you just didn't know the story and I Set

1:31:54

it up to be that way like a

1:31:56

shock twist ending 400 episodes. I'm glad I'm

1:31:58

finally validated. Yeah I think you've

1:32:00

been validated. I think everyone kind of felt

1:32:02

the energy shift of like you're like, I'm

1:32:04

not gonna fucking say anything until

1:32:07

you tell me. I've learned to keep quiet, which

1:32:09

I always feel bad about, but also it's like,

1:32:12

first of all, what am I gonna joke about during, if

1:32:15

I can't find a way to segue out of your story

1:32:17

entirely to make a joke, I just don't make a joke.

1:32:20

And then I don't know anymore if

1:32:22

you're pulling one on me, if you're

1:32:24

sly. Ooh,

1:32:27

no, I'm still. Okay,

1:32:30

silly for sure, yeah. You

1:32:34

did make some, we did make some jokes that

1:32:36

looking back, we're not outrageously

1:32:38

inappropriate, but we're definitely in poor taste. Like

1:32:40

I still think about when, well, I don't

1:32:42

even wanna say it out loud. I still

1:32:44

think about some jokes where I'm just like,

1:32:46

ooh, I can't think of that. And

1:32:48

even some that caught on, and I think all of

1:32:50

us and our listeners have also kind of moved past

1:32:52

a lot of it. It's almost like we all were

1:32:54

like, that's funny. And then like five years later, we're

1:32:56

like, maybe not as funny as we thought five years

1:32:58

ago. I think everyone's in the

1:33:01

same boat, like we're all kind of learning.

1:33:03

Nothing cancelable, but still something I'm not proud

1:33:05

of. Not something I'm proud of, for sure.

1:33:07

And it's like, and just comforted that it's

1:33:09

episode 15 and genuinely like we

1:33:11

didn't really know what we were doing. We're

1:33:14

officially podcasting through the ages, which means we

1:33:16

have grown through episode one. I

1:33:21

like to think so. And

1:33:23

so, do you have a butler? Is

1:33:27

that Alison or is that a butler? What

1:33:29

just happened? What are you talking about? Well, what are you doing when

1:33:31

you do this? Oh, there's a

1:33:33

shelf here. I'm putting my drink on a shelf. Oh my

1:33:35

God, you keep looking and like almost smiling and it looks

1:33:37

like you're just handing it off. And then when you go

1:33:40

here. I'm smiling, I think, because I'm

1:33:42

just happy to not have to hold it anymore.

1:33:44

When you were handed the pills, I was like,

1:33:46

oh, somebody just handed M pills. And then you

1:33:48

like, it looked like you handed it back to

1:33:50

somebody and kind of like looked at them. It

1:33:52

does look exactly like. And the reason I

1:33:54

say butler is because while I was blowing

1:33:56

my nose, everyone, fun fact, and was telling me that

1:33:58

Alison has jury duty. And so I was

1:34:01

like, wait a minute. Do you have

1:34:03

a butler? Am I like missing out

1:34:05

on a huge update life update? The only thing that's

1:34:07

here is it's

1:34:09

a shelf. And there's, okay, actually I was gonna. Imagine

1:34:12

episode 15 and now we have butlers. If

1:34:16

someone heard like just started here and yeah. No,

1:34:19

I actually was gonna, this was one of the reasons

1:34:21

why I drink is because I went to Sleepy Hollow.

1:34:23

I dragged Tanner with me. I was like, I'm going

1:34:26

to Sleepy Hollow on principle and I'm getting something that

1:34:28

says Sleepy Hollow on it in Sleepy Hollow, because there

1:34:30

is Tarrytown. Yes, and I know technically they're kind of

1:34:32

the same, but I was like, I need to go.

1:34:34

Well, I bought you a bunch of shit. I thought

1:34:36

you weren't going back to Sleepy Hollow. So Eva and

1:34:38

I were like on a mission. Did

1:34:40

you get me stuff? A bunch of shit. Thank

1:34:42

God, because here's my story. We

1:34:44

went to Sleepy Hollow and I had given

1:34:46

the weekend to my aunt and on my

1:34:49

Monday, I was going to

1:34:51

go with Tanner to Sleepy Hollow and

1:34:53

do all this stuff. Sleepy Hollow is

1:34:55

in fact quite sleepy and shuts down

1:34:57

everything, everything. And so the

1:35:00

only store that was open that had anything

1:35:02

with the word Sleepy Hollow on it was

1:35:04

a bike store. So I got a water

1:35:06

bottle that says Sleepy Hollow Bikes. Oh, don't

1:35:08

worry. I've got you covered. I literally, that

1:35:11

was all I could find. This is so comforting because

1:35:13

I bought so many things because I wasn't sure which

1:35:15

ones to give to you. So now you can have

1:35:17

your pick. Okay, but also I, and we're seeing each

1:35:19

other next week. Am I seeing Leona next week? No.

1:35:23

Are you sure? Yeah, because they're in, well,

1:35:27

no, maybe in New Hampshire though. Because

1:35:29

I have a present for Leona and maybe we can

1:35:31

do a swap where I get to. She'll be in

1:35:33

New Hampshire with us. Great, okay.

1:35:36

So, super duper. We'll

1:35:38

do a present swap. Oh,

1:35:40

she is not gonna like the swapping part

1:35:43

where she has to use something. But it'll

1:35:45

be worth it. She'll like it. Okay, great.

1:35:48

So anyway, tell your butler to keep it

1:35:50

down because I'm gonna cover Jinsy Rose, Flanchard.

1:35:55

And I'm gonna give her a little recap. Some

1:35:58

of it is exactly the same. is what I talked

1:36:00

about in episode 15. A lot of it is new.

1:36:03

So let's just dive into it. Gypsy Rose, she was

1:36:05

born on July 27th, 1991, which

1:36:09

incidentally is a fact that she would not know for

1:36:11

most of her life. Her

1:36:13

father, Rod, was only 17 when

1:36:16

he found out that his girlfriend, Claudine, who

1:36:18

went by DeeDee, was pregnant with Gypsy. And

1:36:21

so he's 17. DeeDee tells him

1:36:23

she's only 21. However, she was

1:36:26

actually 24. So

1:36:28

she's already lying. Early,

1:36:30

early on. Rod

1:36:32

married DeeDee, because he's 17. He thinks

1:36:34

that's the right thing to do. She's pregnant. But

1:36:37

then on his 18th birthday, he kind of gets cold

1:36:39

feet. He's like, we're not getting married for the right

1:36:41

reasons. This is a bad fit. So

1:36:43

we don't really love each other.

1:36:45

So they separated, but he wanted

1:36:47

to insist on supporting DeeDee through

1:36:50

the pregnancy and supporting his future

1:36:52

child. So they separated and

1:36:54

DeeDee moved in with Gypsy to

1:36:56

her parents' house. And Rod actively

1:36:58

remained involved in Gypsy's life, made

1:37:00

child support payments, would

1:37:02

take her on trips, tried to

1:37:05

be as present as he could. When

1:37:08

Gypsy was three months old, DeeDee

1:37:10

called Rod and told him that

1:37:12

Gypsy had sleep apnea and

1:37:15

often stopped breathing in her sleep, which

1:37:17

I will say as a

1:37:19

parent now, I do understand that

1:37:21

anxiety because there's so much talk

1:37:23

around SIDS and the

1:37:26

correct way to sleep, sleep on your

1:37:28

back, don't let them suffocate. There's

1:37:30

so much scary, I don't

1:37:33

wanna say fear mongering because it's

1:37:35

valid fear, but there's a

1:37:37

lot of stress

1:37:39

around that topic. So I can imagine

1:37:42

that that could be a big trigger

1:37:44

for somebody with like health-related anxiety. And

1:37:48

so she told Rod, hey, Gypsy

1:37:50

has been stopping breathing in her sleep.

1:37:52

She has sleep apnea and all of

1:37:54

the tests, she did all these tests

1:37:56

on baby Gypsy, they

1:37:59

all came back. negative, but Deedee insisted that something

1:38:01

was wrong. So as

1:38:04

a result, because I guess that

1:38:06

wasn't enough, she told people that Gypsy

1:38:08

actually had a chromosomal genetic disorder. So

1:38:10

think Down syndrome, Trisomy 13

1:38:13

and 18. And Deedee didn't specify

1:38:15

which chromosomal genetic disorder Gypsy had.

1:38:17

And it is true that some

1:38:19

people have genetic conditions that are

1:38:22

so rare, they don't even have

1:38:24

a proper name. But it

1:38:26

just didn't seem quite right,

1:38:28

because it didn't seem as

1:38:30

if Deedee specifically discussed like this rare

1:38:32

unknown condition, she was just more vague

1:38:34

about it than anything and just said

1:38:36

like, Oh, it just causes all these

1:38:39

issues rather than like being specific. After

1:38:42

that things quickly spiraled. And when Gypsy

1:38:44

was very young, she was in a

1:38:46

motorcycle accident with her grandfather. And even

1:38:48

though she only had like scrapes and

1:38:50

bruising, it was very like artifice

1:38:52

or superficial injuries. Sure. Deedee kind of

1:38:54

took that and ran with it and

1:38:56